Bud Gabrielson by June Chamberland, 2001
June : So I can get the exact place then. So you say that that barn
across that you can see
Bud : Across Pinko road
June : Is Huculs.
Bud : To your left as you come up over the hill there by ...you can see
Johnsons barn back here too. You know kind of over the hill too but
they're next to Lorraine Matters.
June : They're right next to Lorraine Matters.
Bud : Yeah, you go here and you turn hey and that first quarter here is
Johnson's and their 80 acres here is the one I'm talking about.
June : Yeah ,okay so it's to the left of ....
Bud : To the left of Bendixon road.
June : Because Johnson's have got some kind of a fence in there some
place but then there's no fence around from to the barn or something. I
don't know how it goes, There's a fence across there some place
Bud : Well you've got a fence on that lane.
Diane : All fenced up because that's oats there
Bud : Well up on top there's an old fence . Not on the hill.
June : Okay. So how could you get to Hucul's barn there? Could you
Bud : No you have to cross the field, you wouldn't drive down there.
June : You couldn't drive there?
Bud : No, I don't think so.
June : But it's back of Johnson's?
Bud : No, it's back of Hucul's. You've got it marked wrong there.
June : Oh okay.
Bud : But there are buildings there too but that's 50's. This is 30's.
June : Well I'll have to look up Hucul's then.
Bud : Emil Hucul, he lives in ....
June : So you'd have to go across Johnson's to get to Hucul's then ?
Bud : Oh no , oh no Hucul's is right on Pinko road. That's the corner.
You come north , that's Hucul's, south that's Johnson's and then
June : Okay
Bud : Matters got that old ...
June : Yeah I looked , Lorraine told me to go there and take a picture
of that barn.
Bud : It's the boy's .
Eileen : The old Matters had that too.
Bud : Yeah well that's Paul and Knute's . Pearson built them the log
barn and the house and they never finished it but, ah, see they were in
there in the 30's .
June : Can I ask you some questions about the Gabrielson family? Well
I'll wait till you get your ear thing .
Bud : Maybe I can hear
June : Okay I'm June Chamberland and I'm doing an interview of Bud
Gabrielson , Bud is that your nickname or ...
Bud : Nickname yeah . Gayle is my name.
June : Gayle? Oh yeah. So you can tell me when your family came to this
country and your mother and father's name and stuff like that.
Bud : Well they came here I think in 1922 . They started buying this,
this quarter in 1924. They used to live south where Marianne
Wiebe is . That was Lund quarter. I was born in South Fort George .
June : So what was your mother's and dad's names .
Bud : Well Mother's name was Helen and Dad was Otto but I had two
sisters and one brother. One brother, my brother's still living. Both
sisters have gone.
June : What were your sisters and brother's names?
Bud : The oldest sister was Myrtle . She married Raymond Pinko. That's
where the relation comes in. Ah next one was Peggy or Verna . She
married Del Sheppard which was ... he was a half brother to Lawrence
Grinde down there so but she's gone . Kids are scattered all over. Bob
is in intensive care in Oliver apparently . I haven't seen him for
years now. That's the family.
June : And you took over the farm from your dad then when he ...
Bud : Yeah, 64 when I did that
June : So what , can you tell me something about when they came here .
Where they came from like .
Bud : Well they came from Minnesota" Well I don't know when they ....
Let' see, 1919 they moved to Blue River some place . Dad worked in the
tie camp or something. Then they came here. I'm not sure because my
brother or Bob was born in 21 and he was born there some place. So if
they come here after he was born or . At least Mother did. Dad might I
don't really know that. I never used to pay any attention to that .
June : So you were the only one that was born in British Columbia?
Bud : No Peggy was born , Bob was born in Blue River
June : Yeah right.
Bud : Peggy, next sister, she was born here in Prince. Or I don't know
South Fort George
June : And you're the baby of the family?
Bud : Yep if you call it baby. Laugh
Bud : Born in 1929. That's a couple of days ago.
June : Oh yeah. Laugh. So...
Bud : Pinkos come here .... what 1930. And Grindes came - I don't
June : 36 he told me , 36, I think or 38.
Bud : '36 probably. Because I remember I went to school with Lawrence.
So probably about 30.... Well it could have been
later too because I was still going to school . Lawrence was 3 years, 4
years older than I am. There's not too many of us left. Zingles,
Francis Zingle's left
June : Yeah I'm going to go and see him too. I thought it was a lady
but it's a man.
Bud : Both his sisters are gone and they're both younger than him .
Both gone. Dougherty's
I think Ivor Hermanson he's still going,. He was raised there .
June : Ivan Hermansen
Bud : Ivor .
June : Ivor. Where does he live?
Bud : I think he's on the Hart but I haven't seen him for 25, 30 years.
See Alfred Nordgren
there's Arlen Lindstedt's well I forget them guys name . I'll remember
Dougherty . Lindstedt died there . Alfred sold his share to Carl
Lindsted and moved to
in the early 40's sometime.
June : Alfred who?
Bud : Nordgren
June : Nordgren . So they had the place before Lindsted.
Bud : I think him and Carl were partnerships
June : But Lindsted built that house at John Dougherty's?
Bud : Well I don't know because that's where Ivor and them were raised,
June : In that little house there? Is that right hey?
Bud: Well there was three boys hey , Aug and then Johnny and then Ivor.
June : That was Nordgren &
Bud : No they were she was that was her second go around. They were
They never had any kids , not that I know of anyway.
June : Oh so she had Nordgren first of all and then he died and she
Bud : No Hermansen, other way around. Hermansen was the father of these
June : Oh okay
Bud : Then she was with Alfred Nordgren and later on, well I don't know
the kids must have been small because I think Ivor started to school
here . So he's about a year or so younger than I am so I don't really
June : Well Hermansen would be the original settler on it.
Bud : He wasn't on it at all.
June : Oh he wasn't on it
Bud : No . Where they come from I don't really know. I know it was so
darn long ago..
June : So who do you think built that house then at Johns
Bud : Probably them Swedes
June : Lindsted
Bud : Carl and , Lindsted and Alfred Nordgren. Alfred Nordgren lived
there for many years.
June : Oh they worked together at it ?
Bud : I kinda think but Carl lived in town.
June : Oh I see
Bud : And then when the war started and things picked up Alfred moved
to town. He bought
his or got into a small sawmill there but he worked I think at the
airport to start with. Got a few dollars gathered together because in
the '30's nobody had a dollar eh? .Turnips, and spuds and moose meat,
that's what they were raised on but I don't really know but a year or
so ago we were out the Hart there and I 'm sure it was Ivor
Hermansen....almost sure Like a Mother of the Year
supper they had it out there at the Eagles or whatever it is. And we
were there at the table and I'm sure it was Ivor . By the time I got
out and decided maybe I should go and see they got up and left. Laugh.
But yeah there's , well there's no old timers left
June : No they're fast disappearing quickly.
Bud : Well Mrs. Matters they come here in 39 or something too . Matters.
June : Yeah Lorraine Matters.
Bud : No well she was a Bachynski
June : She must be younger than that , not an old lady
Bud : But Mrs., her mother in laws living in the old folks
June : Now? Oh yeah
Bud : And yeah, Leona Poitras she's ....they come here in '47, well
they're not really...
June : No Not that old.
Bud : And Beich up here too. They come up here about the time we come.
June : Oh yeah they come around 22 or something like that
Bud : My folks yeah
June : So your folks came here pretty well the earliest of all of them
I guess hey
Bud : Well that are left.
June : Well that's left, yeah
Bud : They're not left either. But there's some of the families like
Assmans they are still
I think, like Harold Assman folks they had that quarter north of here.
Now it's called the
Assman quarter. Some of them you know, 3rd generation whatever left.
Like Harold's folks had the Crystal Market on 3rd avenue and then he
would have the Assman funeral parlor. That was old Harold and then
there was 2 or 3 more boys I can't remember,
one was Byron, but they're gone too. You know they're older than I am
or were older. . There's not too many what-you-call-it, they stopped
one from the west here. I didn't know who he was either. Well all three
of them last summer, Shepps they moved out of here in 41 . One lives on
Cranbrook Hill. He was a baby when they left here. I drove out in the
field and running.......here anyway, damn tractor. I shut it off and I
circled But that was Bill he was here and Ruby the girl,
she was there too. She is the same age I am and Bill she was a few
months older. Bill was a little younger.
June : So they had a quarter ....
Bud : West of here
June : So then you all went to school together.
Bud : Yeah but I say there's not too many left living yet
June : So what school did you go to when you were...
Bud : Right by the Pineview Hall is ....
June : And that was Pineview School was it?
Bud : No Tabor Creek. Yeah I went there 8 bloody years. The first
school here was up where
June : What did they call that?
Bud : Pineview school I think. Myrtle, my older sister and brother went
there . There was only the one school . Then they split hey and they
had one they called Blackburn and one they called Thompson, I think it
was. This was Tabor Creek.
June : That Thompson school is still supposed to be there somewhere but
they cut it down or something. Somebody's got a house out of it.
I'm trying to find it but I can't see it eh?
Bud : It's Gee I can't remember, I used to know where it was. It's
about half if you go to Blackburn school and then Blackburn road and
head towards town it's on your right about ..... well not quite half
way to the old highway.
June : Yeah I seen one building that I thought could possibly be it eh
but I wasn't sure.
Bud : I don't really remember , you know, it's so gad darn long ago now
but we used to have sports day back and forth eh? Tabor Creek and
Thompson. But like I say it's too many days ago.
June : Awhile back hey?
Bud : There's not too many of them of that bunch that I know of
June : Did you know that Deseault? Phillip Deseault ?
Bud : Deseault yeah That's where Hector Theroux is now.
June : Yeah
Bud : Yeah he had the whole 1/4 well Reids got, Ken Reid's got the 80
acres this side the split. It used to be a quarter.
June : So what was he , just a farmer or .....
Bud : Phillip? Yeah that's about all . He died about the time the war
started. He was about
June : Yeah he never did get married did he?
Bud : Not that I know of anyway.
Eileen : Who was that:
Bud : Deseault.
June : Did you know who built that house, it was built in 1924. It's
way up the Buckhorn. Dot Miner lives there now. Well she doesn't live
in that house but it's right beside her.
Eileen : Yeah. Her son lives there.
Bud : I don't know who the hell built that .
Eileen : I think Alton and ...did it . I think he still lives in
Bud : No they moved that other house .No but she said "original"
June : Who built it like or ......
Bud : I don't know
June : Somebody told me, well actually is it her son that lives there?
Eileen : Yeah
June : Yeah well he said I think I heard something that it was an uncle
or something of George and Ella Reeves , but now who would that be?
Eileen : Well they're all gone . Yeah yeah they're probably all gone,
June : Yeah Reeves are dead too.
Bud : Don't know who the hell was there.
Eileen : I don't know either because Buckhorn was .....
Bud : Yeah but Leo Lamore was down, I knew him. There was nobody living
there when I was in my teens. Then Frank Reeves bought it. Then Miners
bought it from him.
June : Who was the guy before Miners?
Bud : Frank Reeves
June : Reeves, Frank Reeves.
Bud : Yeah George was over on the highway.
June : Well I wonder then if he would have been an uncle to George
Reeves. That sounds quite reasonable.
Bud : Who?
June : Frank Reeves would be an uncle to George Reeves.
Bud : No, brother.
June : Oh he'd be a brother to him.
Bud : George .....when I went ....George and Frank were brothers.
June : Okay so how old would they be about say if they were living now?
Bud ; Older than I am, not that terribly much but I worked with Frank
at the Buckhorn. He was married and had kids already in 1945. He worked
at Buckhorn Sawmills , that's where I started in 1945, I started
June : So he had, would have hardly been able to build that house
Bud : Yeah he wasn't here in '24. They come from Cloverdale where my
uncle lived . That's how come he ...He lived right beside my uncle
Chris down there. Then he found out my name was Gabrielson , he wanted
to know how, you know
because he lived by Uncle Chris in Langley, Cloverdale,
June : Dot Miner said that about thirty years ago there was an old man
came out there and he was ninety years old so that would make him
120 now but he was the one that probably had that house. But
she... like it was his house hey, but now he probably built it but ...
Eileen : But he'd be gone.
Bud : I don't know who that....
June : Who that would be . I don't ....I guess if a person knew the
number of the quarter . I guess you could always go to the Land Office
Eileen : You could probably find out that way.
June : That would be the only way
Bud : Somebody , you couldn't ....Because the one this side was Abbs,
Frank Abbs, original homesteader on it. And that would ......Emma
Pinko's uncle. Across the road was, we called him Lord Bottomley. I
don't remember why. I can't remember what his first name was. That's
where what-you call-em lives now, Jackson.
June : Oh yeah. I guess there's kind of an old building there too, or
part of one hey?.
Bud : Could be, back behind there , way back the old buildings were.
June : Oh. Way back on the place.
Bud : Alton, that's across from Miners.
June : Yeah.
Bud ; Alton Quinn, no not Alton, Raymond Quinn had that after he
come back from the war he bought it.
Eileen : What about ...
Bud : Can't remember what Bottomley's name was. He was an Englishman,
hey? Somehow or
other Lord Bottomley ....we were just kids. And where whatchah-callem
lives, that was Walter Fross . I remember most of them
Eileen : Well that's what earl? Was saying you should write them down
while you remember them.
June : Well now it's going on tape so I can write it all out and it
will be there.
Bud : What was his name ? Sabadash. That was Walter Frosts' place .
June : Oh yeah. Yeah I think Grindes were telling me about this
Sabadash. Place that there's a house there too or
Bud : probably
June : I was going to phone but I forgot.
Bud : Pete and I don't remember her name. Sabadash anyway but that was
Walter Frosts place
Probably the original that I know , no I don't know. As far as I was
concerned it was
original because it was there when I was a kid hey? It could have been
somebody before him
June : Oh yeah you were born in '29 you said.
Bud : Yeah, yeah and I don't know. There's not that many, not that
many of them families left hey?
June : Yeah
Bud : Zingles been there a long time
June : Oh yeah , he's on the highway though.
Bud : Across from Hucul's.
June : Yeah So do you know that barn at Hucul's ? Was that built by
Hamilton do you think?
Bud : Probably Tilley's. They were there before Hamilton's
June : Oh Tilley's ?
Bud : Tilley. I can't remember their name but Tilley.
June : That's her first name ?
Bud : No that's the last name. Tilley.
Bud : Francis might know more than I do. Maybe he don't.
June : I'm going to talk to Mary and Herman Hamilton. Somebody gave me
Bud : Herman, yeah
June : He might know if it's .....
Bud : Hamilton's were there but I'm sure it was Pete and Winnie
Tilley's but I don't remember I was too small. Ah, where else? Oh Larry
Nolette, they got that old log barn too.
June : Molette? Where does he live?
Bud : Ah, on the old highway to the left before you get to Art Knapp's
June : Oh, okay, that's the one where Filches live now
Bud : No . No. This side of the road.
June : On this side.
Bud : He's got the meat packing plant or meat slaughterhouse there.
June ; Oh, and that's an old barn too.
Bud : On old barn back there, I think Barrettes built that
June : Who built it?
Bud : Jim Barrett. He was a road foreman or something. Shields put a
new roof on it.
June : Okay, the Shields - I know where they live. There's just a
narrow driveway goes right into their place.
Bud : Yeah. Colette's got it now but Jim Barrett was the original ,
then Abeles, then Shields, Nolette.
June : Nolette, how do you spell that?
Eileen : Noulaet ?????
June : This is the drawings that I copied from Marianne Weibe so I want
you to look over them and straighten them out. She had kind of a hard
time so she said " Go and see Bud Gabrielson" He will know how they go.
TALKING ABOUT MAP
Eileen : There's two t"s on Noulette.
Bud : Well George Wilson was the original. John was the son. Emma
actually got that place , Emma Pinko's got that
June : And that is your sister?
Bud : No,
June : Your father's sister?
Bud : No, My sister married Raymond Pinko. This is Austen Pinko and
Emma. Emma she was a Wilson.
June : Who are the old Pinkos? The mother and father? Are they Austen
and Emma ?
Bud : No, Peter and Anna.
June : Peter and Anna were the original Pinkos.
Bud : And he homesteaded
Eileen : Where Gary is now?
Bud : No that was Austen. Peter was ( where the hell are we here?)
Peter was kitty-corner
to that quarter where it's all sub-divided now. What the hell's that
road that goes over the hill?
Eileen : Rark??????
Bud : No, no. This way.
June : Oh I know what's wrong here. Like it's like, Okay Cummings Road
here and Bendixon
road here and Johnsons and Pinko road here, right. So maybe, because
there you are
I don't know but then she didn't know whether this guy belonged here
and next to you
Bud : Yeah, she's got this wrong.
June : Maybe easier for you to just make a new ...
Bud : Actually this is Hughie Blackburns . Tony got 40 acres and
Scholtz got forty acres
and then Rice got forty acres. But in between times Hughie Blackburn,
TALK WITH EILEEN ABOUT TABLE
Bud : See this was probably 18 or 19. Hughie was a returned man from
the First World War.
June : 1918 or 19
Bud : Well he come back , war ended in 18 hey and he was a returned man
and this was
Farr, he was another returned man, they were both .....
June : So was he , he's in this area, hey?
Bud : That's not there. They got that wrong. She's got Hughie Blackburn
June : So the arrow was right then.
Bud : That's Walter Turner. And that's where oh what the hell, Reddens
June : Just put an X on here
. ROAD TALK
Bud : She's got Pinko road, Cummings road. Johnson road. Hughie
Blackburns. Mike Polisko, Yeah, but yeah that Pinko road don't go here
at all. It goes up here a half a mile and then you got, she's got Tabor
Creek road. Mike Bolishkos, Margaret's still living. She was a
Newcombe. She was living here , she lived in White Rock not that long
And her half sister lives in Quesnel, Florence , I don't know her
married name. Okay that part's right,
June : Does that Antchikoski live up here some place?
Bud : Johnson road , Anchikoski would be here. Well the deaf one is
here and this is Beichs.
June : Just put an A there for Anchikoski.
Bud : That's young Wayne. Walter and Swea are down here.
June : They're the older ones.
Bud : Yeah. They're at the corner there. Bowers were the original ones
June : Bowers instead of Beich.
Bud : Yeah, Beich came here in '47, or something. Henry, he's dead now
but Russell lives there, the boy.
June : Do they have old buildings there too or....
Bud : I don't think so. I think they're all, the buildings are all
June : She's got Bowers here and Beich, okay well they should be over
here then hey?
Bud : Yeah.
June : Okay just put an arrow there.
Bud : This is the old Assman quarter.
June : Oh okay.
Bud : Kim Anthony's there now. She's got them.
June : She's got Assman over here.
Bud : What the hell's going on here? Because this is, you go up to
Valeshkos, Beich is on the corner, yeah this is the whole quarter so
Beich , then there's. Then there's Johnson's. Johnson had this whole
section. Arthur Johnson. This is Arthur Johnson's. Assman wasn't on
this side of the road at all. I don't know who was there.
Bud : And this was Assmans and the next one was Manns.
June : Harold Mann.
Bud : Yeah.
June : Well that's his father I guess.
Bud : Harold Mann was his dad's name too. And the next was Deit,s ,
originally Pooleys. That's where Pooley road got it's name.
June : Who built the barns was Pooley I guess hey?
Bud : No I think that one barn I think Deit built it and the next one I
think Peters built it. But the farthest one, closest to Johnson road
that was Deits.
June : The one that's right down? Oh the big one that's up still.
Bud : There's two big barns right together.
June : Okay the first, that one was Deits and the second one was
Bud : This way, would be , I think, pretty sure I remember Peters
building that. Peter brothers, twins
June : Because that's the oldest one?
Bud : The one next to Johnson road is older.
June : Oh the one , the one that's in better shape is the older one?
Bud : Ah, that's the first one, next to Johnson Road because I can
remember as a kid, I remember them building that one.
June : Because there's one out in the field too.
Bud : That's oh well Tony's built that. That was in the 40's.
June : So the oldest one is the strongest ?
Bud : Best built.
June : Oh well it all goes how you take care of them too.
MORE TALK ON ERRORS
Bud : Banzers. John is gone. Now Gene is still living . Kurt is down in
Vernon. Trudy's in their someplace too, a girl. I went to school with
her. Trudy's my age.
WITH THE HAYWIRE MAP BUD HAS DECIDED TO MAKE HIS OWN MAP
June : They're Olga Rahn's now. Yeah, right in the dip there between
Bud : Just before , yeah Gotlieb Rahn is there now.
June : Oh so you knew the Hendricks?
Bud : Oh yeah. I think Les passed away too did he?
June : I think so. Was that the was that a son.
Bud : Yeah it was one of the twins , Leslie and Leon. Leon passed away
quite a few years ago. Hobert, Jock, all boys hey and Wiley she was
married to Ben Hardy. The girl. The Hardy on the old Summit Lake road.
Ben is still living, I think but I kind of
think she might be gone.
June : Her name was Wiley?
Bud : First...they called her Wiley, that's all I remember. I don't
know what her right name was.
June : So who was the old people then?
Bud : Oh #### Walter and .....I don't know.
June : Walter and his wife anyway. So they were just farmers there hey?
Bud : Well they had cows in them days, whatever made a dollar in the
June : So were they on both sides of the highway?
Bud : No just one
June : Just one
Bud : The other side was Schlitts.
June : Schlitts okay.
June : Because they got two little, old barns in there hey?
Bud : Oh I don't remember what was there.
June : Yeah because I went and took a picture of them . I went and seen
Bud : The Scvlitts were right down in the hole on the other side of the
June : Okay, where the nice valley there sort of runs right beside the
Bud : Tabor Creek valley, right on the bottom. That was the old road
went around there. It didn't go straight across. It went round and
round the old highway. Paul Schlitt probably still living but John and
them I think are all dead. They're the next generation. Paul was down
there at Salmon Arm last I heard of. Or yeah, Salmon Arm.
June : So did you know Burke too?
Bud : Who?
June : Burke.
Bud : Burke.
June : They lived , you know where the steam engine is there and some
old machinery and stuff .
Bud : Oh . ( tapping, trying to think)
June : Okay, go and build your road. Laugh.
Bud : I'm trying to think of...##### I know them too. Walls lived
original ones there.
June : Oh Walls. Okay. Rudy Walls?
Bud : Rudy and what was his brother's name? They called him Speed.
June : Okay, Johnny Ryser was telling me about them.
TALKING ABOUT ROADS
June : Pinko road sort of comes to an end there.
Bud : Well then you go up here as Tabor Creek. Then you go up here .
See that's half a mile.
June : It jogged.
Bud : This is Johnson now. It was Fred Lucci. This is on a correction
June : Did they have a quarter section there?
Bud : I don't know just quite what they got.
Bud : Jenny she was a Lucci, Jenny. Yeah, Thompson that lives there
now. She was Fred
June : I've got him drawing maps.
Eileen : That's good.
That's a nice idea that you're doing that.
June : Well I think it will be kind of neat to have a little bit of the
history of the people around
the area because they'll soon be all gone and forgotten. The buildings
will be gone .
Eileen : Yeah there'll be nothing left.
Talk and Coffee.
Bud : I was right to begin with. This is only !/2 a mile here and this
is one mile.
June : Just put1/2 there.
Bud : It's not going to be very accurate.
June : That's okay as long as we get the .....
Bud : Should have been on Pinko road here, what's the matter with me.
Tabor Creek road here, okay. Mike Volishko. Alfred Pinko coming off
Johnson this way with Beichs , Bowers,
June : She's sort of got the families together right, she just doesn't
have them in the right places like.
Bud : !/2 a mile, Pinko, Walter Turner.
June : So did he...did he have two houses there? Or just the one house?
Bud : Just the one and it got sub-divided after.
June : Its kind of a nice, quite a good, house. It's log and
Bud : Ah they built that in , back in the 30's. Dad and Walter built
it. They had a cabin down where he's got a machine shop now, Reddens
got. They were sitting there playing cards one night and up blew
a windstorm and a heck of a racket and they looked up ..
June : But they built that house .
Bud : I don't think it was....
June : It would be in the early 30's.
Bud : Early 30's somewhere.
June : '34, '33.
Bud : I don't even remember who all...there was Bellamys, Bellerys but
I'll just put Redden.
June : Yeah, the most important is to get the old timers
Bud : Yeah well Walter Turner was the original on that quarter. And the
one south is 80 acres, four 80 acres, all sub-divided
again. This was next to Walter was Carl Bodine , next to them was
Carl Newcombe. Frits That works at Fort George Steel lives there now at
Bodines old place way back.
June : Is that the guy that's got Ft George Steel.
Bud : Frits I should know...... but I can't remember. I know him
- Fawcett. Carl Newcombe's is Hucul.
June : So you said that guy is dead or not living there?
Bud : Which? Hucul?
June : Or he's in town ?
Bud : The old man lives in town but the boy that owns it, he lives in
The Fraser Valley now. I don't remember his first name.
June : Okay so I could go and talk to old man Hucul or whatever. Find
out if I can go there and take a picture of it.
Bud : Carl . George Pinko had it for years but he sold it to Burns.
Herman Burns. He's dead. She's still living but now it's Hucul. All the
ones in between I can write it down but...
June : Oh it's okay.
Bud : Now we're going down Pinko road, There's Bendixon. I should have
gone farther too. This is Chapmans, then Pinkos and Dr. Johnson now.
Next to him was I don't know if it was Paul or Knute, they weren't
brothers but they built them old buildings at Matters .This was all .
June : What was their last name, Paul or Knute?
Bud : Pearson
June : Pearson, oh okay. So they built the buildings at Matters ?
Bud : The old ones back
June : The old barn and there's a little log, it looks like an outhouse
Bud : The old house, It was logs too but I think they covered it up.
June : Oh you mean they built over it.
Bud : I think they covered the old logs up.
June : That happens sometimes.
Bud : That cabin there, that comes Jack Dagoushi,you see Matters, Jack
Dagoushi bought this quarter where Lorraine is now. That would be Mrs.
Matters uncle. The old Mrs. Matters. Jack Dagoushi, well he had
that cabin . Then when he got older they skidded that cabin over to
where it is now, you know off, just off of Lorraine's and George
, Lorraine's husband took over that farm and built that house but all
old Jack had was that little cabin. It's where the well is now, on the
one the kids are buying now or whatever. I guess they're not kids
anymore but kids to me. Well George was a kid and he's dead.
June : Well everybody was a kid one time.
Bud : Yeah but to me. So Paul and I don't know which had which quarter,
They weren't even brothers, not supposed to be related but had the last
same name but they moved out of here in the '30's. They went down to
Wells , worked in the.....I think Wells, yeah Wells, worked in the mine
there. They just walked away and left it.
June : Just left it hey?
Bud : Well what were they going to do? Nobody wanted it. Nobody had any
money anyway. But they never did finish that barn. Matters put the roof
on that. Old George and Jack Dagoushi. Where are we at here? I don't
know how to spell Lorraine now.
June : rr- a-i-n-e.
Bud : Well anyway this is the young fellas. I guess. Doctor Johnson's.
June : Did they originally own that place, the Johnsons?
Bud : No, Pinkos did. This is Raymond Pinko . Chapman. George Chapman
originally and he died when I was.... about the time I started school.
No later. Anyway Raymond and Myrtle wound up with it.
June : So that building that's on their place then that barn you say
it's not old? It's built about 40's or something? The one that's up by
Bud : Matters?
June : No, not Matters, Johnsons.
June : It's up by the bush on top of the hill.
Bud : That was built in the 50's. After they burnt out where Dale is
now, that was the original place where Dale Pinko is.
June : Yeah, I know where he is.
Bud : Well he , Raymond had that when they got married. They got
married in 1936. And then they bought the quarter south of them .
Then they burnt out there and I don't remember what year that would be.
Probably in the 50's . Then they built up where Dr. Johnson is now.
June : Oh yeah.
Bud : Because he bought Joe Chapmans when he died and that was before
June : So there's none of Chapmans buildings or any of them left there.
They're all gone
Bud : Oh no. There wasn't much there to begin with. I'll just put Pinko
there. I'll put Pinko here too because that was George.
June : Pinkos own quite a bit of property around
Bud : Well there was three brothers.
June : Oh yeah they'd get three quarters at least.
Bud : Well George only had a half. These back here are Newcombe,
Gilbert. Well it's
Dr Johnson now has got three quarters , that Pinkos have. In behind
June : That's like a section there, that square.
Bud : Yeah. I'm haywire too. I went the wrong way here, in behind
Matters. This way here. She's behind Huculs there. One quarter back
there. These are 80 acres here. This is all sub-divided too. That
little cabin just fell in too. Dagoushis in behind Walter Turner's
where the dump is now, down on the creek. I was in there chasing cows a
couple of years ago and I couldn't even find the old cabin anymore.
June : Oh is that right?
Bud : That was an 80 acre homestead there too.
June : Is that...what direction is that from Walter Turner?
Bud : East.
June : East, yeah. That's what I thought. It sounds reasonable to me.
Bud : Tabor creek, east. Okay. I can't remember the original, I can't
remember the guy's , the original guy that had this first 80 acres here
. Hmph. That cabin's gone too. Bowmans got it now. Well she's not
Bowman now really but I can't think of her name now. Ingrid but she's
not living there. That's 80 acre pieces too. Ernie Bloomquist had that
first. Not first but .... He had that 1/2 , two quarters. He had this
quarter of Anchikoskis, this one down here, that one up here was
Anderson but they never lived there, this first one. The next one where
Walter lives, Swea down here , that was Ernie
June : Originally?
Bud : Bloomquist. I don't know how you spell it but Stroms bought it in
the 40's when there was lots of timber on it and then they sold it, and
Anchikoski owned it after the timber was gone. Now where are we going
June : Must be soon to your stretch here, your chunk.
Bud : Okay Bendixon Road. This is 1/2 a mile, going to go a mile back .
I kind of goofed here. No that's right, the road ends here and it
starts here again. Mike Valesko , Paul Caturner , Bowers, and across. I
got Bowers in the wrong darn place here, no, that's right, that's
Beichs now, That's not how you spell Beich .
June : Are you going to take off?
Eileen : Yeah
June : How about if I take a picture of you and your husband?
Bud : Bowers. Johnson Road. Okay, okay, Anchikoski here.
June : Okay you want to both look up here a minute. Okay I'll take
another one just in case.
Eileen : Maybe, would that light bother you?
June : I'll just get over here. Okay, smile. Good.
Eileen : It takes some remembering. I can remember some of it.
June : The thing is to lay it out.
Bud : There wasn't that much up that way.
June : No, they settled more along the creeks and in the valleys I
guess instead of in the bush part around town there.
Bud : Across the old highway Thompson lived there and up farther
Proppes and all that bunch but there was a block in between Pooley and
the old highway where there wasn't too much . Pinko was here too. Emma
she inherited from her brother and he inherited from his folks. Pinko.
June : But Emma, she wouldn't have been a Pinko, she'd have been
something else hey?
Bud : Yeah, she was originally a Wilson.
June : Oh yeah and she married a Pinko.
Bud : She married Austen Pinko.
Eileen : So we'll see you later then.
June : Yeah, okay.
Bud : George Wilson was original one and then Johnny, they come back
from overseas and he took over and the old folks died. And he died and
Emma took over .
Eileen : Good thing he's still got some memory of that.
June : He's doing pretty good.
Bud : And the next one down was Lloyd Newcombe .
Eileen : Don't look at me, that was before me too. So we'll see you
June : Yeah. Maybe you'll be back before I go, the map gets finished.
Bud : Homeys living there but he don't own it.
June : Who's that?
Bud : Homey. The Real Estate owns it. What have we got here now? I
goofed up here some place. Tabor Creek road. I goofed up too. I'm as
bad as Mrs. Wiebe. Cummings, Tabor Creek that's right. Beichs that's
right. You had to turn the corner Oh I got Fred Lucci in the wrong
June : Just draw an arrow to where he should be and it will be easier
Bud : Tabor Creek road, no that's right. You go up there and you go up
there and you go north.
June : So whereabouts do you live on that place there. Are you in this
quarter or this there's probably some ....
Bud : I'm over here.
June : Oh right, You're on Cummings.
Bud : I'm goofing up here somewhere. Oh this is Taylor's quarter .
Taylor, you go, turn the corner and Walter, used to be
Bloomquist, Anchikoski yeah. Yeah Anchikoki 's got the next .
Young Ivan Anchikoski's got the next quarter. Walter's down below
here . I still goofed up here somehow. Going up Johnson Road , across
the road from Beichs ah okay. This is Johnsons . Arthur was original .
Now it's Telen Johnson but there's no relation. Banzer s
...................... Tabert Banzer ? But they got that half between
Johnson's and Cummings.
June : I got a pre-emption map from the oh Land Office I guess
1920-30 with all the quarters on it.
Bud : Oh yeah
June ; That would be kind of interesting to but no names.
Bud : But there's no names on it. (More talk.)
Okay, Johnsons, Johnson Road back towards the highway here. Somehow I'm
goofing here. No that's right. Johnsons got that half, Next to
Johnson's is the old Assman quarter, Tim Anthony's ( or Anton's ) got
it now. Next one is Manns . Now who had that before Mann's ? Vohar's
got it now.
June : Vohar's got it now? She's got Irvin Mann.
Bud : Yeah . Vohar.
June : She's got Christiansen and John Hartman in there
Bud : Yeah, yeah, they were in there.
June : Okay I'll just put that correct there and I can put it in after.
Bud : I'm going the wrong way here. Instead of going up Johnson Road I
went across this country here. I'm making them a little too small here,
I'm not going to get to the ...I had my sights set too far. This is now
Thony. This is Pooley Road . I better put it in there before I get
June : Pooley road doesn't go right through either does it or does it?
How far does it go?
Bud : It goes 1/2 a mile past Bendixon and it goes to Johnson. Then you
got a correction line and the Blackburn Road is here, a 1/4 of a mile
....that's Blackburn Road. That's what screws me up down here. At
Johnson Road is a correction line. Haha.
June : Yeah and that's where right in here that whatcha macallit lives
, Bart ...
Bud : Bert Blackburn . He was, he had a quarter but it was long and
narrow. He went past Thony's.
June : Really.
Bud : Ah yeah he went up onto Vohars across the road hey but he was ..
June : No wonder you can't draw squares and make it go.
Bud : No, see that's a correction line right there. This is Blackburn.
This is Pooley. I don't remember if that's a y there.
June : e-y.
Bud : See they were....Pooleys were the original ones on that quarter ,
then there was Deits which was Irvin Mann's father-in-law, he married
...or not Deits . He was on the next quarter. Yeah Deits, I got Pooley
now. They moved to town. I haven't got a clue how you spell
June : D-i-e-t or D-e-i-t. I guess. I don't know.
Bud ; Deits , then there was...
June : Who came first , Proppe or Peters ?
Bud : Peters, Proppes were. Then there's Thony.
June : Yeah they bought it off Peters.
Bud : Yeah right, okay. Proppes were up further. Ah where the hell are
we? Vohar. Cummings
Road. This is Anthonys. Now Popeck. It's not the right way to
spell it. Then Rice, then there was a Clark, no Burns. Clark, Burns,
June : Clark, Burns and then Rice.
Bud : No, Popeck, Rice, they bought it for the timber.
June : Proppe, Rice, Clark, Burns and then .....
Bud : Popeck, Popeck, the one across the road from here. Which one are
you on? Rudolph
Popeck, Rice, Clark, Burns and Anthonys. Right. That part's right.
June : Okay. I can just fill in those other names there.
Bud : Popecks, Cummings Road, go up Cummings road . Ed Rice was the old
June : She's got Rice here and she's got Gibbs and Pat Foley.
Bud : Gibbs and Pat Foley is right. Now it's sub-divided and we go to
the next quarter, was people by the name originally Barnes The
buildings are on Pooley Road but Barnes and them guys were....
June : That would be up above, who, Ed Rice?
Bud : Ed Rice, yeah, the one west of it. Barnes, oh!
June : She's got a bunch of names here but they're not above
Bud : Geisler, Moab , there was four before Geisler, hmph ( tapping) No
by God, they come
after Geisler. Geisler were down here. I went to school with
Elsie too. Geisler, don,t know how you spell that either,
June : G-e-i-s-l-e-r I think.
Bud : Geisler, who bought off them . Damned if I can remember. Anyway
it's all sub-divided now. Pooley road, then you go across Cummings .
That was vacant. Bob Taylor got that in 19....he never did build there.
1960's. I bid on the sucker and I bid under him He was on Welfare and
he got the quarter. So he was ......and then it's sub-divided.
June : And he never ever built anything there and it was just
sub-divided after that.
Bud : Old Bueckman son got it and sub-divided it. And you come
down here and there was a Cummings, that's where Cummings got it's name
from. I can't remember his first name . I don't know it. He was
long gone when I first remember. But he was the original one on that
and then Scheppes, S-C-H-ppe I think and Ryser , then Norbard
Ben Anderson , ah then there was
June : Kenny Lundine.
Bud : He's the last one. Between there was Bargey and what the hell was
Penny's last name? Penny ( tapping) that don't matter. Lundine, Larry
Lundeen was the last one.
June : Larry Lundine hey?
Bud : Yeah , Allen , Eileen Harvey whatever her name is.
Yeah but there was a guy named Cummings, that's what Cummings
Road apparently got it's name.
June : Did the Hydro take that over afterwards?
Bud : Part of it. Part of it and my quarter too. Hydro's got a chunk of
what is now Lundeens and they've got ...
June : They took a fair chunk of yours then.
Bud : Hydro. It's less than a hundred acres left here.
June : Really, so they got a good sixty acres off you.
Bud : Ah they got more than that. Well not that much more. They got a
little over sixty here a little over sixty here. That's a forty-acre
chunk , they got all of it then they got a strip here. Okay so Bendixon
Road. This was Southoff . Ah Harry Perry but he never
built on it but he was the owner. He sold it to Southoffs. He was a
Member of Parliament. You know back ... they come in 1936 - Southoffs.
Bill Southoff. I think two of the girls are still living. I seen
Margaret not long ago anyway. I don't know whether to put Perry down,
Harry Perry .
June ; She's got Harry Perry for the first owner. Did he ever live
Bud : No. No, never built just speculation but he owned it and then
Southoffs. Southoff, the old folks are dead of course .
June : She's got MacGuire after that.
Bud : Yeah, no Willie was in there between but it don't matter a damn.
Willie was there too.
June : Vilchek first?
Bud : No MacGuire , Vilchek bought it from MacGuire after he died , off
of her. I can't remember her name either.
June : Oh it's Belchuk.
Bud : Belchuk, yeah. And then when him and Jenny split up, she got it.
Then she sold it to
June : Chris Bruce? Does that sound right?
Bud : I don't know what their names are, next-door neighbor, I don't
June : She' got "new people" now. Old barn burnt.
Bud : Yeah that's when Jenny had it, Belchuk. She moved. I think she's
gone too. Well she moved, I think she's gone too. She moved in with
Bill Cash, That's Zingles old place where Bill Cash is up here. Where
are we going here? Bendixon road, Southoff, Pinko Road, oh Rice ah this
was young Ed Rice He sold out to Hewitson and he sold out to Meise.
June : M-e-i-s-e, there's George and Evert.
Bud : Well George and now it's Mowach. George is dead so ...
June : Did the Hydro get some of that?
Bud : No just right-of-way. Power lines there. And across the road from
Ted Rice was Jim Rice. Well Snyder first and then Ed had Jim. I don't
know what she's got there.
June : She hasn't got those unless she's got it on another page. I
don't know if that'd b here or up or across Bendixon Road . Way up in
here then. Way up in here where Snyder and Rice were.
Bud : Hewitson right across Bendixon road. They had two brothers hey.
But Ed had this for many years and then Jim bought that later on. And
then Lewiston bought them both. And that's where , who bought it, yeah
Nelson bought it from Jack Hewitson.
June : Okay so that is where there's supposed to be an old building at
Nelson's too , is that the
Nelson over here Cummings , no Bendixon
Bud : No this is a different Nelson. That's ...what the hell was his
first name? They're split up too. She's got the place .....because I
was farming it when they sold it. Hewitsons owned it then. No, you're
talking about Terry Nelson. Farr's old place. The house and that barn
they were built in '47, '48 and Poitras' bought it.
June : So they're not that old then?
Bud : There's old shack sitting up in that yard, it's Farr's old shack,
They skidded it across the creek there.
June : That would be old.
Bud : By the old barn there or was because Glen Pinko rented that place
from old Floyd
We were over there one time a barbecue or whatever I'd been there lots
of times talking to old Floyd, talking but that was old Farr's.
June : That would have been a way back hey?
Bud : Well yeah, probably back in the 20's but not log, it was frame.
June : Oh it was a frame one hey?
Bud : One of the only framed house around the country. It wasn't much.
Just a small shack.
June : But it's still there like?
Bud : It was 3-4-5 years ago. I imagine it's not...unless Terry has .
June : Probably gone now.
Bud : I don't know. It wasn't when old Floyd died, his dad. He was
older than I am. Where the heck are we at? South of Southoffs that was
June : Was John...Where was them Lindsteds? They must have been .....oh
we're not there yet.
Bud : Nordgren and Dougherty .
June : Oh you got them in there.
Bud : I'm going up...
June : Yeah I see you were doing that when I was talking with your wife.
Bud : This is where Marianne Wiebe was on that quarter now. That
was , originally was, I can't think what his first name was....Bowman .
What the hell was his first name? Ernie and Mary were the kids. They
were older than I was. Bowman or Boughman.
Where Marianne Wiebe has got a chunk of it now.
June : Might be on the other map. I've pretty well gone through these
Bud : See she goes in at Wilson Road. but Wilson road comes.
June : You can see her place. Wilson goes off of ......
Bud : Lund. I got to figure this one out. Bendixon, Pinko, one mile up.
Snyder, there's Pooley.
June : Yeah it's just across from Dougherty. You can see the place ....
Bud : Yeah she goes , that lines haywire
June : Where the heck did Lund road go? Do you have Lund Road?
Bud : I haven't got it in there.
June : Or what's this here. That's Lund Road here
Bud : That's Bendixon road.
June : Oh that's Bendixon okay we haven't got Lund. Lund comes off
Bud : Comes off Bendixon and goes to the Buckhorn road. And I haven't
got it. There's Nordgren , Southoff ,
June : Well here you got....
Bud : Lundeen, that's the guy west of us. Snyders, Jim Rice, Snyders,
here's Lund road over here. Yeah okay, this is that other Nelson,
that's what buggers me. This is Lund Road but it don't come to Pooley .
June : No you got to go down Pooley to what the heck is it, Bendixon,
Bud : To the old Buckhorn road.
June : The way I drive, I go Pooley, Bendixon, then I take off on Lund.
Bud : From Pooley you go a mile east , one mile east on Bendixon, then
you turn, yeah that's right , there's Lund road.
June : And Wilsons that's a wee little road .
Bud : 1/2 a mile. Nordgren, Wilson, Rabys Bendixon Wilson road is only
1/2 a mile in. That was original road. And it went original, George
Pinko, George Wilsons place originally . It went here and down here,
went to Pearson, Knute Pearson . There was no Pinko road them days.
This is Wilson . I don't know whether you'll be able to figure things
out or not. That was Bowman, the whole quarter originally then Leidls,
Ed Leidl, oh I don't know if this is right no, yeah then Ed Leidl then
where Marianne Wiebe is but she got it now, she must have .
June : Okay. I'll just tear this page out then and then I can help you
with the names. Okay she's got , where is she now? She should be in
here some place.
Bud : Lund road. Neukom, Lloyd Newcomb, well she's got that
June : Well here is Gibbs and Wiebes.
Bud : Gibbs and Wiebes, yeah they come out the, that quarter came out
the Bendixon road. But it's all sub-divided. Who's she got to start
with there? Oh Buffs, I forgot about them. They were in there a few
June : Buffs and then ...
Bud : Because Koslouski, Leidls, Gibbs and Wiebe. That's okay. The
first one was Bowman. He's the one that Rich, yeah they were there when
I came. I faintly remember, Bowman. She's got that part right.
June : So if you just put Bowman and Wiebe that will be enough and I
got all the names between here.
Bud : Yeah I don't know who all was in between
June : Well she's got them all written down so...
Bud : Lund Road, on the same side of Lund Road the next quarter was
Lund. Then Jake bought it when he come back from overseas
June : She's got a Krabbs or Kribbs
Bud : That's Jake
June : Jake Kindle.....
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Bud : Jake Kindle . It was Leo Kindle
June : Well he came back from the war with who did you say?
Bud : Jake come back , Jake not Leo. He come from Swizerland in
'30....when Banzers came anyway.
June : And he came with Banzer back.
Bud : They all come together. Like Gebherd and Marcel and John and
Jacob and Leo Kindle. He was a brother-in-law to them, Banzers. And
their mother come too.
June : Who was it that married the Banzer girl?
Bud : Which Banzer..
June : Or did you say , well somebody got married.
Bud : Trudy married Cos but he was never out here.
June : Okay.
Bud : Luthi married, Freddy Luthie's daughter is married to old Hogar
Thompson up there. He's still living. He's got to be well in his
eighties but she's one of the original ones around, that stayed around
here. I don't know if I got them down here or not. Must have. Fred Luthie , yeah, Fred Luthie. Johnson Road, Blackburn road,
now I should of went here because Bert Blackburn had a chunk.
June : Yeah might as well draw his chunk in there. Did you know that
guy by the name of Griffins, Griffiths ,or Schlitt that had a
place behind Blackburn School there? Did you know anybody
Bud : Bonnets had that quarter that Blackburn school sits on and Steve
Schlitt married the Bonnet girl and that's when he was there.
June : He was there. So did he build that house back there? There's an
old house in there.
Bud : Oh ##### I don't know.
June : Or do you think it was Griffiths? The guy that's there now,
Leleith or something he thinks it's the Griffiths that built that house.
Bud : I doubt it.
June : But that would make it pretty old.
Bud : Well who I don't know what Steve Schlitt left there. That house
was probably built after he left.
June : Oh you think so? Not the new house but there's a little old
house back there
Bud : Yeah I can't remember. That old barn I think it finally...
June : Yeah there's no barn there.
Bud : Yeah the big shed there the roof was gone years ago. That was
June : I kind of think that Shlitt built that house rather than
Griffiths because Griffiths was in the 1800's or something.
Bud : Oh well that's before Bonnets then. Old Bonnets , Fred Bonnets ,
I don't know if
you've probably heard of him ...
June : Well I heard well he's what Bonnet Hill's named after I guess.
Bud : That's his folks. They had that quarter where Blackburn School
June : So is it on the right-hand side, Blackburn School?
Bud : Well they're both sides now. If you're going up Blackburn Road,
south Blackburn road it's on your right.
June : So that's where that old farm is right in there, there's sort of
Bud : Down among in the ....yeah. That used to be Bonnet and Steve
Schlitt . Some of
their kids are around yet , they're not too....my age or but he took
over that Bonnet farm
June : Okay. So that would likely be Bonnet that built it rather than
Bud : Well it would have to be Bonnet or Schlitts.
June ; Yeah one or the other but not that Griffiths,
Bud : I never even heard of Griffiths before I can remember. Long
before because I heard the folks talking about it. No doubt there was a
Griffiths there . I'm not saying there wasn't.
June : Yeah it's just that he was a way, way way back.
Bud : But Bonnets they come here, God knows! Ever since I can remember.
There was Fred and Tom and I don't remember Freda I think it was her
named Mrs. Schlitt. She married Steve Schlitt and Paul Schlitt was down
across where Hendricks were . That was old Schlitts, Steve Schlitts.
June : Is the young guy...at that time
Bud : Well older than me. Paul was older than me. He was the youngest
but that was Steve's folks were down there and he married a Bonnet, I
think it was Freda, I don't know and he took over that Bonnet farm .
That was a quarter then and they built the school on it and telephone,
whatever all is there now. And Fred of course was this, on the other
side . Tom died when he was young and he was married to like Deits
there Peters, the twin Peters, their sister and Walter Bonnet he was
here a couple of years ago. He lived in Kamloops. I went to school with
him too because she moved in with her brothers where Thony is now at
the corner of Pooley and Johnson . Walter and his mother. He went to
school down here with the rest but he probably knew some of the Bonnet
outfit, Schlitts too you know because that was his relations .
June ; Well it's good to know, who connects with who then you can go
and see them and find out you know
Bud : I don't know Walter never stopped last year, a couple of years he
hasn't stopped I think. I don't know if he's been up this way even but
he had a grandson in Fort Nelson that he used to go up and then he'd
stop here. But he was living in Kamloops. And Fred well, Charlotte I
seen her at a funeral here awhile ago, Bonnet, Fred Bonnet's
daughter. She's the only one of them around that I know of, around this
area. Her brother's down in the States I think. Charlotte's married to
George Docnick. I seen them at a funeral about a month ago but she
would probably know more than I do too. Where are we at here? Lund
road, oh Lund's place, then it was Kendle
June : Where does she have Gus Lund ? I seen it here someplace.
Bud : Next to Marianne Wiebes.
June : Yeah .
Bud : Leidls are in there. Ed Leidl.
June : Oh there it is Gus Lund. I got it in such...it looks like a big
word... Gus Lund's father Okay Krebbs , Krabbs, Kribbs, and Jake Kindle
and then Jim Smythe , Rob Murray
Bud : That's who's there now I think
June : That's right
Bud : These two are mixed up . Leo Kendle. Jake, that was Jake Krebbs
and Leo was Kendle's name.
June : Okay. Jake Krebbs and Leo Kindle. Are they in the right order
Bud : No Kindle was before , he moved out of here during the war and
Jake came back from overseas and bought it. Okay you got that now.
South of that was old Newcombs She got that down?
June : Newcomb, Gordon Newcomb, so this down Lund road?
Bud : Newcomb there, then Leidl, and she hasn't got Dulenbaker in
between. Another Swiss
guy. They moved out during the war too. Two girls there too. I can't
Bud : And what the hell was his name again? I can't remember.
June : Tony Meise , no she's got a bunch of Meises or Woods. Are we
over past Lund?
Bud : Newcomb, Dulenbaker, Leidl,
June : Joe Vogler?
Bud : That I don't even know.
June : Gary Woods? I know that guy. He's there now hey?
Bud : Yeah, Woods across here too. That's Wood too.
June : Same guy?
Bud : No, no relation
June : Oh that's Carol Grinde , Grinde's daughter. Right. Just put
Newcomb and then Gary Woods and I'll get...the rest is fine.
Bud : I don't know if that's "c" or "k". I think it's a "c"
June : Just put "G. Woods".
Bud : Dulenbakers first and that guy I never did know.
................she probably knew him. Old ...yeah well I ran out of
space here. That's Lund road see. Newcombe is the far side going
June : That's alright I'll just put here
Bud : There's Gordon Newcombe first.
June : Gordon Newcombe first. She's got Grinde once
Bud : Grinde bought that quarter
June : And then Steve Marsolais or Mashaluk
Bud : Mashalak
June : And now Redpath or something like that.
Bud : Yeah there's two of them on there . Anyway I think Mashaluk's
still there, probably that other house . They're split. I don't know.
It's Gordon Newcomb's old quarter. Then Grinde, yeah that was old Lars
Grinde originally, then Lawrence took over and then the daughter took
June : Dale and Carol - that's what she's got there
Bud : Yeah Carol and Dale Woods . Wood I think it's not Woods. Yeah
just Wood and the other Gary is Woods I think. But that's as far
as I go south on Lund Road.
June : Yeah okay. So then she's got Ladel or Leidl, no she's got
Bud : Yeah Jacob Banzer had 80 acres there and Crozier had the other 80
next to Grinde's.
June : Okay she's got Crozier . This is something else Keim
Bud : Oh Keims are there now because Crozier had this 80 and Jacob had
that south 80. Grinde's got that south 80 now, Lawrence . Keim's got
this 80 and Leidl's had it half back here and Grinde's got it now.
She's got Grinde here.
June : Okay. She's got it all correct then. So these two here shared in
half - Jacob and Crozier?
Bud : No Crozier was to the side. That 80.
June : Crozier had this 80
Bud : Yeah and Keim's got it now. Jacob Banzer had that strip
originally, then Phillip Deseault was here. Hector Theroux and Ken Reid
, yeah they split that quarter too. They split that quarter.
June : But it wasn't split when Deseault had it. He had the whole
Bud : Soles had that one on the corner .
June : Soles is not Deseault, that's a different one
Bud : Soles, Deseault that one was . This one was Soles. Ah Lacey has
it now. She's got...I don't know.....who was in between? It don't
matter. I can't remember.
June : Yeah see this is the Buckhorn road here. Then it goes down to ,
where does she go? Then she was wondering about this here going up here
, she didn't know.
Bud : Not much ##### ( Tapping) ##### think I can think of his name.
Duncan Quinn had it after he came back from overseas but ( tapping) man
oh man oh man oh man Andy, Andrew Simms then Alton Quinn . She got
Alton Quinn but he wasn't the first one.
June : Is that on this quarter here on Soles place?
Bud : She's got them wrong. She got Simms, he was ahead of Alton .
June : Okay Simms was first, then Alton second.... but were they on
this quarter here or were they on this bottom Quarter? They were down
where they are. Okay.
Bud : I don't, I don't think anyone lived here that I can remember
before Soles. Across the road was Joe Pollack where Badry's are.
Badry's are there now.
June : Oh okay.
Bud : That was Joe Pollack and then Lahay Brothers bought it. And then
I don't know who bought it and Badry wound up with it.
June : So who would have built that little building that was there,
remember that little
Bud : Lahays likely.
June : Lahays, yeah. It's gone now you know.
Bud : Is it?
June : Yeah. They moved it away. They told me somebody wanted it.
I got a nice picture of it though before they moved it away.
Bud : Yeah. And here is, I think that was a Cline quarter but I don't
remember them and then Noels Peacock.
June : Cline and then Nels Peacock?
Bud : Oh wait a minute. Where are we here? Oh Lund Road, okay.
June : Yeah, this is the Buckhorn here like hey.
Bud : Yeah well we're going the wrong way. This is going the wrong way.
Yeah we're going the wrong way. This is in behind Grinde's. Yeah I was
looking wrong. This is wrong. But Soles lived on Lund Road. This would
be Buckhorn Road . This is
right. Buckhorn road and then up here is what I was talking about.
Clines and Nels Peacock . Who's there now? Oh ( ##### tapping) Ross
Roach. He's on that quarter now. Peacock was there and old Doctor
Ducharme was there for quite a few years ..
June : A whole pile of different ones hey?
Bud : Lars Grinde, oh yeah Grinde , well now it's Woods, that
first quarter .Pooley Road . This was originally Pooley , then it was
Fred , then Walter Bonnet and he, Walter sub-divided it. All
sub-divided. This one was vacant in the early days, seems to me that
John Thony bought it but I'm not sure and sub-divided after. Then you
go across Cummings ....
June : I should put a "v" there, I should put '"vacant" or I won't
remember what the "v"stands for
Bud : This one was too. I bought this one in 60's, this quarter. That's
where the Pub is , I ought that quarter , well I bid on this one and
then bought , got the other I put his other one up then. Then you went
south and this was Hunters
June : Oh that's where Hunters are.
Bud : Now who's this... Gord ... but he was built on Bendixon here, not
on Pooley and this is where the school Tabor Creek School was where the
Hall is now
June : Yeah
Bud : It burnt down sometime . I was out in the bush trapping when it
happened. Okay then we go To Pooley Road. Pooley Road ends . It goes a
half a mile .
June : That's the end of Pooley Road.
Bud : That's the end of Pooley Road ah Erranos. Hey, I don't know
how you spell that either. I should.
June : Probably E-r-r-a-n- o or something like that
Bud : She's still living in her 90's.
June : Is that right?
Bud : I seen her not long ago.
June : Did they have any old places out there or they came out there
kind of late?
Bud : No I think they tore that......MacKay lives there now. I
think...well it's sub-divided out where the old buildings were . MacKay
is in there now. I don't think there's any
old buildings left. I don't know. Pooley Road, Bendixon Road. Bolaski .
There was somebody before Bolaski too.
I don't remember all......well that's sub-divided now too hey but they
go in M.......... Pinko, Pooley, Bendixon, yeah they go in off of
Bendixon here . It's all sub-divided this way. Pooley Road goes half a
mile down and it ends. This one I don't know who homesteaded it across
from the school. It was vacant when we were going to school. But
somebody had homesteaded it because there was that field. It's still
there where the Rec Commission's got ... that little field was there
then. Somebody had homesteaded it but no buildings there that I ever
know (of). I don't know, that's all sub-divided anyway. Yeah this is a
, well I know they call it (tapping) ####
June : That's not where they had those ponies is it?
Bud : They called a park after whatcha-callit who died.
June : Not Harold Mann, that's for sure.
Bud : No, no, that's a different Harold Mann from this one by the way
June : Oh is it?
Bud : No relation. He used to be a foreman for Giscome - that Harold
Mann they named the park after. Then he was on the Regional , this
Harold was dead already. Young Harold wasn't but I mean
June : Yeah I know I was talking to that younger Harold there not too
Bud : This one, the original wasn't Harold. It was Irvin too.
June : Yeah that was the father.
Bud : But that other Harold Mann was no relation. Or he might have been
June : Well just put Park there and we'll figure out
Bud : He ended up with my house on Pooley Road. The kids worked for
him. That's when they made square bales hey? Kids could pack bales for
him . Can't call them kids now, they're in their 30's. I can't think of
that damn name. But he died anyway. He was quite involved with the Rec
- Tabor Creek Rec Commission or the Pineview Rec Commission. But
they've got a chunk of that now. That's where they hold part of their
snow frolics .
June : Oh yeah, up in there.
Bud : Across the road from the Hall, well where the school was. I
should put Hall there too.
June : Is that the hall or the school? Oh yeah, it used to be the
Bud : Used to be the school but it burnt down. Late 40's or early 50's.
I can't remember. I remember when they built the hall, that was the
farmers hey? I can't remember where I was but I remember the .......
June : Oh well, maybe it will come to you if you don't think about it.
Bud : I can't remember. I can't remember when they paid me off because
I remember Dad saying well you can't like they donated stuff to build
the hall or material or whatever hey so I .... but they were selling
June : Notes ?
Bud : Well donate some money and then they'd give you an I.O.U. I think
I gave them a hundred and fifty dollars and sometime in the 60's late
60's they paid it off. And then the farmers give it to the Rec,
Pineview Rec Commission , whatever they call it and they've been doing
good. But the farmers nobody wanted to look after it you know
June : So where does the line between Pineview and Buckhorn .....is
there any line between Pineview and Buckhorn or is it just sort of all
the same and Blackburn I mean they're all .....
Bud : Yeah, there's no well I suppose they have their school lines
drawn up now, I don't know.
June : Yeah it's hard to know just where the actual territory is . Like
the Pineview School like you say Pineview is here and then...
Bud : Pineview Hall is out here on the highway, Pineview school. This
was Tabor Creek School.
June : But they have the Pineview Hall here yet don't they?
Bud : Pineview Hall is here and across the road is Pineview Recreation.
June : And yet over here is Buckhorn. Isn't it?
Bud : Yep.
June : So Pineview and Buckhorn is sort of ....well what do you say you
live in? Pineview or Buckhorn?
Bud : Pineview.
June : But Grinde he probably lives in Buckhorn hey? He's closer to
Bud : Well yeah, closer to Buckhorn Road but you know.....
June : I guess in the old days they had sort of ... it was a long ways.
Bud : Well there was no school in Buckhorn.
June : There is a Buckhorn school though now
Bud : Now. There has been for many years but there wasn't hey? And
there was only one school and that's on Blackburn , well I haven't got
it here anyway. Yes I have This was all Goodkeys, all Blackburns. I put
a capitol there, not supposed to be. That's Goodkey now. Pineview, they
called it Pineview School was here. There's kind of an opening there
and then Goodkeys field is a little bit of bush in between, then
Goodkey's field and Goodkey's buildings are back in here , alfalfa.
Blackburn Road. But this was Pineview School , it was the only school.
June : So how many miles did you walk to school when you went?
Bud : I didn't walk, just two and a half miles. I just went down here.
June : You went to that other one.
Bud : My sister and brother went to this one.
June : And that was called Tabor Creek school over there.
Bud : This one but this one I'm pretty sure they called it Pineview
School and then I say they built one up on the old Giscome Highway . I
think they called that Thompson School. They split see and they built
the Tabor Creek school down here.
June : What happened to the Pineview school? Did it burn down or
Bud : Yeah , this Tabor.....oh that one , no you made a hall out of it
for many years and we had a cleaning plant. Institute had a cleaning
plant there. It belonged to the Farmer's Institute. Then they moved the
cleaning plant out of there in '60, 70 and it gave that ...I
forget how many acres it was, back to, think it was still
Blackburns then, John Blackburn, Hughie and now it's Goodkey of course
but they didn't need that. It was donated to the Institute to begin
with or the school district to begin with and then I think maybe it was
still school when the farmers used it, I don't know. I know I hauled
grain there to clean but I ...you know
June : But it went to heck I guess hey?
Bud : I can't remember what happened to that old hall.
June : Was it very big ?
Bud : No not that big but it was the only hall in the community till
June : Bigger hall got built ...
Bud : Down here . Of course afterwards they built Blackburn Hall .
Bolaski well, I don't know who alls there now, Bill whachacallit's on
the corner , Bosnick.
June : Bosnick.
Bud : Bosnicks . He's on the ... Pooley Road and Bendixon - Bolaski,
that's right. Bill Bosnick. He's the first one here and there's
somebody else. I think there's 4 or 5 on this corner. Belchicks is
....Well it's not either because it's split . 60 and 90. B.C. Hydro
June : Who is that Newcombe, Nelson?
Bud : Nelson now, across from Meises. Before...along the road...that
half mile along the road here, Hydro owns 60 acres of that. They bought
that from Hewitson for a power line hey because they were fighting over
the power line and Nelsons are built up in here, right by the line
because I farmed this with Jack but Hydro owned this. Hydro owns a hell
of a lot of property actually.
June : Yeah it must do.
Bud : I don't know what they're doing with it, sitting on it.
Where are we going here?
June : Well you're way up there someplace.
Bud : Bolaski. Pooley road ends up there somewhere. Bendixon road. Lund
road. Okay I went down Lund road till I run out .
June : Yeah I think you're up to the Buckhorn just about hey?
Bud : Bert. That was long and narrow. That was the original Blackburn
place, John and Hughie well Hughie was down here on , where the hell is
Cummings road? Oh Hughie Blackburn, yeah . I don't know who to put
there on Hughie Blackburn's there was F. Toadys bought 40 acres and
Scholtz bought 50 acres and Rice bought what was left eventually and
Vance was on where Scholtz was, Ernie Scholtz
June : And this was all after Walter Turners though because he was...
Bud : No Hughie Blackburn's.
June : Oh Hughie Blackburn was the first one. Okay. That's what she's
got too. Hughie Blackburn.
Bud: Toady, that's right. Hughie Blackburn originally, not F. Toady. I
don't know what she's got all there . That's not Walter Turner . That's
the next quarter.
June : Okay so Walter Turner was here and ...
Bud : Walter Turner had this next quarter here
June : Okay this was his corner.
Bud : I think she's got Hossop here but Bodins before Burns. And that
was Carl Newcombe beside him. Carl Bodin , Ernie ...
June : But Carl was first
Bud : As far as I know he was the first one. Then George Pinko and now
it's Hucul. You come down Bendixon Road go towards the hill and there's
Pinko Road and there's where I said they moved the house from up here
and there's an old barn
back here .
June : Hmm I'll have to look for that one so I would have to
phone that Hucul guy.
Bud : Yeah, old Emil I guess. Well you could phone Cliff but I don't
June : Cliff, I've been trying to phone him for a long time now . I did
get a hold of him before about that barn on the highway there but I
haven't been able to get a hold of him. I don't know whether he moved
into town or something. He's in a wheelchair you know.
Bud : Yeah he got that a few years already. I don't know where he
stays. He was out there.
June : Yeah I know he was out there.
Bud : Where are we going here?
June : Well you come to the end there I think.
Bud : Pooley road, yeah well a guy by the name of Clark back here, this
one was vacant. Still is. This is Walter Wall, now's got it. A guy by
the name of Clark had it, then George Meise had it and now Walter Wall
has got it. Who was in between Meise and Wall hmph, that's at the end
of Pooley Road. 1/2 a mile past Bendixon.
June : There's Lund and Bendixon
Bud : Pinko
June : She's got some Meises here but I think you got these in already
Bud : That's Bertha, that's Ludd.
June : She's a Lund?
Bud : Ludd. Izzy he's dead. Bertha is the mother. Tony lives there and
Jenny bought that south half and then Grindes. She's in a wheelchair
too that girl.
June : Yeah he was telling me about that.
Bud : Her name isn't Grinde , whatever it is but Lawrence and June's
daughter. So she hasn't got, here's Bendixon along the road, Pinko,
yeah it's up here. She hasn't got the end of Pooley. But I don't
remember who...Clark comes here , he broke some land, he lived back
here. Christiansen's lived here too didn't he? After he was over , not
Christianson, ( tapping) yeah I think he did . Don't matter I just
wrote Walter Wall, he's the one that .... Okay Hunter... I got a
long ways to go, the old highway, there wasn't much on it either
June : No, you maybe got too much space.
Bud : This here, there's not that much. You see Blackburns went right
to the old highway and the old highway used to make a jog there.
It goes through where the Airport is now and went straight
through the swamp there but Blackburns were right over, They had that
whole chunk in there.
June : So they must have had a few....
Bud : Well they must have had a section in there. The old Alex, the
old, he got killed by a bull, the old man. I don't know if Alex
is still living or not. I never heard of him dying but he must have. If
he didn't he's got to be ninety.
June : You know when you go up the highway, highway 16, you must go up
about three miles or something and on your right hand side they've done
some bull-dozing now and out of that bull-dozing has come a great big
white house and a couple of log buildings .
Bud : Oh yeah, past Shelley turn
June : Yeah
Bud : I don't know who was in there.
June : You don't know hey?
Bud : No they logged it this summer.
June : Yeah. It's kind of odd to see them buildings sitting there.
Bud : Yeah I knew there was a house back in there. Just past the Hydro
June : Well that's what a guy I was talking to yesterday said, he
always seen the roof of a house there but he said he always wondered
what was behind there. Another guy I knew went in there and took
pictures . It was all mud of course .
Bud : Well they logged it this summer
June : Yeah, do you know who logged it?
Bud : Yeah, he phoned here but I can't think of his name now. He phoned
here. I had his phone number.
June : I thought if I could get a hold of him I could find out who
owned that property like.
Bud : There was the Pine beetles there in some of the trees so they had
to get rid of them so they took everything , logged it all.
June : They logged some on the other side of that road too.
Bud : Yeah well that's the same quarter. That's the same quarter. The
highway goes.... The highway splits the quarter. Same as up here at
Ritchies . Ritchies now but Aitchisons old quarter . You know where
that Speedway is?
June : Yeah.
Bud : There's a little wedge-shape there that ...
June : Yeah I talked to Lorne Aitchison not too long ago, this spring.
Bud : Oh yeah
June : But I took a picture of their house before it got burnt. I went
and seen that lady there and well we were supposed to get it to go to
the Hubble farm but they sent a guy out there and no he said it wasn't
worth moving but I think it was, it was a pretty good building.
Bud : Oh yeah, well that would be old Brock Mackelroy's mother before
they sold it to Ritchies. Probably.
June : The people that own it now are called Donna Lear . Like her
first name is Donna and her second name is Lear.
Bud : We're talking about a different place. Where Ritchies are
building that ....
June : Yeah that's farther up there.
Bud : There was an old house there too.
June : Oh was there?
Bud : Yeah Aitchison's old original...did you talk to Lorne Aitchison,
June : Yeah well his house, that house where he lived is still or was
there a stone house in there ?
Bud : It's all cleared and flattened out now. But Mackeleroy bought it
June : Oh okay. Yeah they probably bought the whole quarter I guess.
But there is a little bit of sub-division at the end of it and that old
house was supposed to be the Aitchison house. It's just at the
beginning of like where they cleared off like say this is a square here
and there's still some buildings back in here. So whether that was
sub-divided or what happened . That's what they've told me is that was
Bud : Aitchison's are right on that corner where that light is.
You know where the light is on Highway 16?
June ; Yeah
Bud : Right there.
June : Right at the corner?
Bud : Well just in the trees because I can remember being there when I
, because Eric Aitchison was in a wheelchair . He was crippled, the
oldest boy. There's lots, I think one of them girls lives up here on
Pineview Road. June : Yeah they're...that was a big family. I think
there's about 12 of them or something.
Bud : Well there was Lorne and Harold boys, Eric well he died years ago
and then there was , I can't remember the girls but yeah . Seems to me
there's one of them lives up here.
June : I've got a picture of the whole family anyway.
Bud : Lorne , well they called him Bud hey
June : Another Bud hey?
Bud : But I don't remember , but there was a Jim Aitchison and a Bill
Aitchison too but he was never married. I'm trying to think of where
his place was. He would be an uncle to Harold.
June : Harold Mann?
Bud : Harold Aitchison. Didn't you say you talked to Lorne?
June : Lorne , Yeah
Bud : Lorne and Harold I think Harold's still, he's younger than Lorne.
A few years. I imagine he's still going. He's Lorne too, I think
they're both legally blind.
June : Yeah he's , he can't see very good.
Bud : Yeah and I think Harold is just as bad. But they had an uncle
Bill , maybe that's what ...... because they were well I don't know but
I can't remember being there at Aitchisons..
June : Well was it a big house , a log house or...what was it?
Bud : I don't remember
June : You don't remember what the house was like.
Bud : Mackleroys bought it. Then they sold it to Ritchie Brothers. Then
that's where they're going to move to.
June : Well they sure made that ....
Bud : Sure changed the looks yeah.
June ; It doesn't look very good.
Bud : No. They've cut that hill down .
June : Should have at least left some trees around.
Bud : They've planted a few trees there now. Laugh Yeah I should
know what the old....
June : So I don't know what else I can ask you . Well you're not quite
finished with your map yet.
Bud : Yeah, pretty well.
June : Yeah there's nothing in there
Bud : There's not too much here, actually. Across the old highway was
Thompson's . They had a dry cleaners ? Like that old highway made a jog
here and Blackburns owned this whole thing and this side there was
nothing till Hubner, old blacksmith he bought a....he built there and
then he went up to where Eastway Esso they call it but he started down
here, a blacksmith shop. Hubner, Huber. Something like that. And Ed
Regland bought a quarter here by the , I don't know if he ever .... Ed
Regland bought this first quarter here . The blacksmith was on the next
one but then he married the widow across here, Thompson was her name,
that's where they lived. And you went down the road, who was the
next...I can't remember...Cummings Road. Across the old highway. That's
where Tabor Creek school was or Pineview School is now . I can't
remember who was there. The next quarter down was Pitchko bought it
,now it's sub-divided. Little John, Little John had that quarter one
time, Gregorich and big John had this one on this side. They were
cousins. Big John Gregorich and Little John Gregorich.
END OF TAPE 2, Side 1
June : ........Chilcotin Road
Bud : And Sutley. See I had lots on Chilcotin too, back in here and
then I had lots around Pooley next to the hall.
June : So when your dad came here did he homestead the land?
Bud : No
June : He had to buy the land.
Bud : He bought the land from what they call the Land Settlement Board.
June : Land Settlement Board.
Bud : There was still, I think there was homesteads, like all them
homesteaders along the hill but apparently this, out here, I don't know
what happened. See the soldier settlement, Land Settlement Board . They
must have changed from that
because Hughie and Farr and them guys they were returned veterans hey?
June : From the 1918 war
Bud : Yep. And Hunter, Hunter was too because Hunter bought Farr's
place here for Poitrases. Because he was a returned man he had
first grab at it. But Farr, Farr lost it hey. I can't remember, it was
under 600 bucks. He used to come cut across country here to the folks
all the time and I remember I was here one Sunday, I'd been working
for, not that long about 1945 or 46 hey and they were going to seize it
on him. Farr. And Dad tried to talk me into, he was trying to sell it
to Dad for what was owing and Dad didn't want it. Dad tried to talk me
into it and I said "No" "Well" Dad said " Might as well try it???. Old
Farr, will give you....well call him old. Old guy I know him like
...buy anyway , then I'll try it with Dad. Dad tried to talk me into it
two times but I said "No" "Well" he said "Just give him the money and
he'll pay it off and he'll transfer it to you and just leave him alone.
Just forget that you've bought it till he's gone". And I said 'No, no,
no, What the hell do I want this land for" Dad tried his damnedest and
I wouldn't . Anyway then he sold it to Hunter and he sold it to
Poitras's but old Farr didn't last too long. The last time I seen
him he got madder than hell at me because I come here in the winter
time. Dad said " You better take some wood over to old Farr because he
was getting so he couldn't haul? so I harnessed up the team and went
down through this way here, he was on the creek back here. I took him a
jag of wood, with the team and sleigh, there was quite a bit of snow,
unloaded and of course you had to have a spot of tea. He was an
Englishman, kind of quiet, was quiet, had the spot of tea. Then he
tried to give me some money for this wood and I wouldn't take it. I
said "No" I said "I can't" I said "but Dad's wood oh,
we cut, it's cleared by hand , you know, cutting all the wood around.
No I wouldn't take it. Well you got to take something for hauling it
over here and all that. I wouldn't take nothing and he got mad at me.
Last time I seen the old fart. He died that same winter.
June : Is that right hey?
Bud : But he said " Oh your dad won't take nothing" I said "Well I
won't either. He was quite irritable. Laughing.
June : He didn't like that hey?
Bud : No. Shit in them days they didn't get no pension to speak of hey?
June : No
Bud : But if ....I don't know what actually, what happened . The cops
tried to move him out of there once till they got help from Dad
and I don't know what happened that time,
They had a runaway anyway with the black team, my team actually, and of
course the cops I guess they didn't know p....all. They got three
tugs? hooked up anyway and the team took off with the sleigh. Of course
the pole dropped , broke the sleigh pole and I don't know what all
happened. I don't know how they got him out of there. The snow in them
days was no... horses or whatever
June : So he didn't die in his place, he died in ...
Bud : I think they got him out. I think. You'll have to ask old Reno
because they were there by that time Reno Nadeau. Joe's brother-in-law.
June : So how old was he when he died?
Bud : Oh 60, 70ish 60's.
June : Oh yeah, not that old.
Bud : I don't really know .
June : Oh just a wee little drop ( - coffee. ) Just to warm
it up a little.
Bud : There's not very much left.
June : That's good . Thanks. You keep the rest.
Bud : I don't need any. I'm not supposed to drink coffee. Laugh
June : I'll go and maybe I can take a picture of that old ..... is it a
house out there , you've got?
Bud : You won't get much of a picture of it now with the junk around
June : Or is it a barn? It's a house hey?
Bud : It's the old house that's up past Diane's ( daughter to Bud) I
can't quite remember when it was built. I remember when they built the
barn, it was before I started school. They built the barn. The original
shack was up where the Hydro is now. Then they built the house there. I
can't remember them building that house. But the barn was up, because
the old barn was up there and they used to milk the cows hey . It was
just a small barn . I remember them buildings but I can remember them
building on that barn one summer where Diane is now but the house I
can't remember. It must have been a year or two before. I was pretty
young to remember.
June : So you had both the house and the barn then hey?
Bud : Here. The barn is gone . We tore it down,
June : Oh I see. Just the house.
Bud : Quite a few years.....before Diane moved, we moved Diane's
trailer in there. Before that, well the house was the same hey, sitting
on poor blocks and rotted wood. Put a roof on it a few years ago well
it was shingled hey and they were rotten so we put roofing on this side
and put tin on the other side
June : Funny how you see some of these barns they're just sunk right
into the ground hey
Bud : Yep, well like Gary's down there that's got to be and the one at
Dale's too, The original barn, then they turned it into a chicken house
up behind the shop down there . I think now if I remember right. But
Matters that must be getting rotten too. They might have built them on
rocks hey . Turners up here, I think somebody's put cement under it
through the years.
June : They've got their cracks filled with cement hey?
Bud : Could be.
June : You know in the house. It looks pretty solid.
Bud : Yeah Walter. That old house, the chimneys gone, that's out at
whatchocallher, Hubble Farm. The old brick chimney out of the old house
June : Yeah out of Blackburn house.
Bud : No, no, this one, They come and got it
June : Which house?
Bud : This old house you want to take a picture of.
June : Oh really?
Bud : Yeah
June : Oh it come from your house?
Bud : Yeah. I don't remember how many years ago they come and tore it
June : Yeah. Oh for Goodness sake!
Bud : Them old red bricks .
June : Yeah . I thought that come from The Blackburn house.
Bud : It come from here.
June : Oh for God's sake. Interesting!
Bud : I don't know when .... how long ago it was.
June : Well that would be in eighty........
Bud : Yeah probably back there some place, I don't know.
June : Eighty-seven or somewhere in there, eighty-six. I would imagine.
Bud : That's where it come from. I don't know where they put it,
I've never been there.
June : Well it's in the Hubble house yeah, so they made a chimney out
Bud : Yeah well that's what they wanted . There was no liner in it. You
know just a, like now, later, they put liners in one of them things.
There's a flue in there inside you know, but that one was just them
small bricks, mortar you know because it
cracked . I don't know what year that would be either, they were
building the Hydro sub-station here . I don't remember what year it
was. It was when I built this anyway. The year after because Mom was
still living up there. And then she .........
June : By mom, you mean your mother?
Bud : Yeah, she bought herself a trailer and moved that on to Myrtle's
, down by Myrtles, No she hadn't , she was out visiting that summer and
an old chum of mine, well I worked with him for years, he was
living in the old house while Mom was gone. He was baking bread one
day, set the damn attic on fire. Of course I wasn't here, but
anyway he jumped on the tractor and they were building up here,
run up there and them Hydro guys, construction guys, they
come down. They put it out in the attic. He said " them guys were
running around that roof " well a shake roof, shingle roof, you know ,
He said "they were running around there like squirrels". He said "into
the attic" otherwise it would have burnt, if he'd have been by himself.
June : Yeah
Bud : I had a dugout there but it was from here to the road from the
house, well Carl with a bucket you know but them guys, a whole
gang of them hey.
June : So what's your wife's name?
Bud : Eileen
June : Eileen . So I know whose name to put there with you when I look
at the picture.
Bud : Mayham was her maiden name.
June : What was her maiden name?
Bud : Mayham.
June : Mayham, oh yeah. So she's not....is she a local person too? Was
she around here?
Bud : No, she come....she was about seven years old when they moved
here. Hoffercamp Road at the end, down on the Flat, with her folks.
They come here .....
June : Wonder if there's anything down Hoffercamp Road.
Bud : Early 40's . Well there's buildings down there. But them old
buildings, they moved ...Husky bought the old guy's place. They moved
on top of the hill. Them are gone too. I was down there because Eileen
wanted to go down, four, five years ago. Them old buildings are gone
June : Something like Fraser Flats, there's nothing down there either.
Bud : No, Well Buchi's used to be down there .
June : Well half of it's Northwood now I guess.
Bud : Yeah well Fraser Flats . Bueckmans used to be down there,
June : Bueckmans?
Bud : Walter and Gus, years and years ago, they're both gone now.
Some of the kids are still living, I imagine. I never see them. Ivor
and Fred. I can't remember them. What's Gus' kids ? Can't remember
June : Yeah it's hard to get all these names straight. Yeah, well I
Bud : She was born in '33 I think. She was 6 or 7 when they come here
so in the 40's when they come. I chummed with her brother, I never knew
her for years, well I didn't chum with him, I hunted with him. He got
killed over here on Wansa. He worked at Carrier Lumber then ' 57.
They still call that the Pearly Gates over there.
June : Is that right?
Bud : He got killed on that hillside.
June : What happened there?
Bud : Oh he was on a cat.
June : Rolled it like?
Bud : No he went straight down. He got turned and went straight down
but the blade hit and them old 7's they had a big air breather
right straight in front of you, apparently he hit that and broke his
neck but I can't see a guy ..... He had his lunch kit and thermos
on the cat and he never even broke the thermos.
June : Really? Kind of an odd.....
Bud : Well the winter before he got off the cat and he was falling and
that was the winter of '56 , '57 and he fell on snowshoes and I
said to Mike when I found out he was falling, he was falling over here
by himself you know. I said "Mike " I said This is a hell of a
winter to go falling, The snow was deep and on the trees. He said
I got a funny feeling them cats are going to get me . He drove cat for
years. I said Holy### Mike falling's a hell of a lot more dangerous
than a bloody cat, you know and be goddarned next summer he went
back on that 7 for Stroms and Kord...bought Carrier lumber,
Kordyban, he didn't have nothing in them days much, you know, he was
just starting out, he hired Stroms to go and put that road into Wansa
where he was going to set, his mill was up there then but he was going
to move to Wansa and be###### if the cat didn't get him too. Funny how
......He had that feeling he said, you know .
June : Yeah because you'd think with the falling there ...
Bud : Well ....in that snow, I got hit and broke my teeth and
hard hat probably the neck got hurt too, a couple of years later, I got
two vertebrae fused together back here but I got a couple . I know I
had a hell of a headache here for a week or two but I didn't realize...
June : Just how bad it was hey?
Bud : He said, whatchocallhim, Brushook? He said "You got a stiff
neck" . I said "well yeah I had a stiff neck all my life". He started
laughing. He said " Well it won't go away because you got two
vertebraes .......it doesn't bother me, I got two vertebrae's fused
together in the neck. I said "well that's how come I got shorter
I guess. Laugh
But it was my back that was bothering me, down lower. That's where I
was having trouble.
June : Well I'll put this all together and kind of write something out
and is it okay to use any of this information?
Bud : Oh yeah what any little bit you got there. But you can go down,
well you know where the Hendricks were , and Schlitts across the road,
highway from them
June : Yeah. Yeah Schlitts was the Shields place.
Bud : No, no. Down the Buckhorn road. Schlitts were going down the
highway , Buckhorn road, Schlitts were here and Golieb Rahn is here.
That's where Hendricks were, up on the old highway.
June : Yeah right, that's where the Hendricks were. Yeah I got those
two barns. They're not too bad.
Bud : There's an older one yet back in the bush there.
June : Yeah well you can see one back from the highway. Real good hey?
And I was driving by and...
Bud : Who's in between I haven't got a clue
June : But Walter Hendricks would have built them though
Bud : No doubt, because I was a kid. See they were all older than I was
. Not much, but a little.
June : So they'd be fairly old those buildings?
Bud : Well they got to be. Got to be. They sold out in '40 , 46 or
something, Hendricks. They had an auction sale there and Bolaski,
Bolaski got that team, of colts and then him and his wife got in a tiff
and he tried to sell me that team , it was the year about '47. I was in
the hospital, I was '47 but I didn't buy them but he wanted to
sell the team ....but who was there then , oh, Jones or something. Right
June : They bought it after.
Bud : After Hendricks, then I don't know when Gotlieb bought it.
June : Sometime after that.
Bud : I don't know Gotlieb anyway. Eric is dead hey . I remember him
through the years. Henry, I wouldn't know him if I seen him either and
Bill, he's gone.
June : Yeah he was married to Hilda Kwiatkowski .
Bud : Kwiatkowski, Yeah right.
June : They had quite a pile of little buildings at their place
Bud : Oh, I imagine . Old Kwiatkowskis yeah
June : Pretty good , not bad shape for probably the age they were.
Bud : No By God, Hendricks were maybe out of there before that. Maybe
I'm thinking when Jones sold out. Maybe it was Jones that had those
horses there. Hoo, I can't remember. See the twins went overseas . They
were the youngest boys.
June : Who were the twins ? Were they Hendricks?
Bud : Leslie and Leon.
June : Oh, oh yeah right, you told me that right.
Bud : Was there any younger ? The girl might have been. I don't know
whether she's still living or not. I can't remember why they called her
Wiley but she works, no she didn't, I got that wrong. Ben Hardy works
there for Raymond clearing land down there in the late 30's before the
war. That's about the time him and that Wiley got married. And then a
guy by the name of Turner, not no relation to Walter, had a mill out
right where he is now, in that area. He had a quarter of land, Tom
Turner. Ben was working for him and I don't know if he got the land or
what but right in that vicinity anyway. That old barn's gone now too on
the Old summit Lake road. But Ben was there ever since and that would
be the start of the war whatever hey but her I don't know. Somehow it
runs in my head, she may be gone.
June : Well she'd be pretty old if she got married in the 30's.
Bud : Late 30's .
June : Late 30's
Bud : Late 30's because Raymond and Myrtle got married in '36 and they
were married when Ben worked for Raymond down there. Probably just
about the start of the war because he used to give you, give the guy
five dollars and whoever hired him five dollars to grub a month.
June : Oh is that right hey? Five dollars a month? And then they could
Bud : Yeah, or whatever. Most of them give the, whoever they had
hired, to give them that five dollars too.
June : That was sort of like a relief hey?
Bud : Relief, that's what it was, yeah. Dale, my other brother-in-law,
he worked there too one summer. Then he joined the Army what '39 when
the war started or whatever it was ..
June : I guess a lot of them were glad to get in the war hey?
Bud ; Pardon
June : A lot of them would be glad probably to get in the Army because
Bud : Yeah it was pretty hungry times . That's when it started to boom
of course. But Dale ( Del) never got overseas. I don't , no, he got
crippled up here before he ever got over. But Ben got crippled up with
a runaway. Horses . Logging out there.
June : That's your brothers.
Bud : No, that was Ben Hardy . Married to Hendricks . He's still going.
June : Ben Hardy?
Bud : Ben Hardy.
June : Oh is that right? He must be fairly old then.
Bud : Yeah, he's got to be eighty I would think because he got married
when I was maybe seven years old. I'm 72. Shit he's older than that. I
don't know how old I was. Well 76, I would be 7 when they got
married, Myrtle and Raymond got married, and it was a year or two
afterward. Ben was just a young, you know. I remember some of them old
timers. But the Buckhorn Road like I say I know Walter Frost and Lord
Bottomley and on the corner was Frank Abbs, this side of Mrs. Miner now
Lord Bottomley was across, Walter Frost was where Peter Sabadash is ,
Jim Dougherty was in behind Pinko's there. I don't know who's got that
quarter now either , Ernie Burdon is where Barnes is now but you go up
Pinko road, it makes a turn.
June : Is that that old Ernie Burden from way back?
Bud : No that was a surveyor. This, maybe it wasn't Ernie but Ernie
Burden, there's a street named in town . He was a surveyor. Maybe it
wasn't Ernie but there was Burden...
June : A Burden anyway. Wasn't there a Fred or Frank Burden ? Fred
Bud : Fred Burden, yeah that rings a bell too. Or was that the
June : Oh maybe. Maybe Fred Burden is.
Bud : I don't know anyway. Fred and Ernie - they're both running
through my head but I can't catch? up with a Burden out there too. He
homesteaded that one.
June : Fred Burden I think was the surveyor, wasn't he?
Bud : Burden, one of them was a surveyor, yeah . He's got a street
named after him to. I can't remember.
June : Yeah I learned about his name through the Hubble homestead
there. I worked with them too. Well I suppose I should quit taking up
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