Interview with Harold Moore.

Interviewed by June Chamberland

Larry : It goes down , there's a landing, an old landing down there . Did anybody ever homestead, apparently there's a cabin back there

Harold : There's two homesteads there

Larry : Oh yeah

Harold : One was Dunlop and the other guy was..... He's Irish too but I forgot but his Dunlop was up on the side of the hill there You know there's a , that used to be an old field there years ago and the other one you had to go down and go in the bush and back in the bush there The old barn was there yet

Larry : There's an old cabin or something in there .....

Harold : Well they took the cabin out of there

Larry : There's an old newspaper apparently hanging up 1917 or something.

Harold : Yeah

June : Is that that where we walked Larry?

Larry : The one we tried to find yeah.

June : There was one road off and then we went to the field, hey.

Harold : Yeah. I know where it is but the cabin, somebody tore it down and took it .

Larry : Oh yeah.

Harold : It was all hewed hey

Larry : Oh yeah, made out of logs.

Harold : Good job done , it was all square .

Larry : I guess old Winka's cabin is tore down now too.

Harold : Is it, the one back around the lake?

Larry : Yeah the one, Willie Lupus tore it down a better cabin in there

Harold : Are you writing a book June ?

June : Yeah I'm hoping to hey. I'm getting a lot of information. Like I'm taking pictures and stuff

Harold : Well Chrissie wrote a nice little article on old Tual .

June : Oh did she.

Harold : Did you know that?

June : No.

Harold : I don't think we ever had that but we read it but Eleanor would have one.

June : Oh Eleanor. Does she still live up on the bank there ion that house?

Phyllis: Alex's house has been sold hasn't it?

Harold : I don't know who really has it.

June : I wonder if she still works at Sears.

Harold : Eleanor?

June : Yeah Eleanor . She worked at that little Health Food store

Larry : As far as I know she's still there.

June : What's her last name? It's not Moldowan, I know that.

Phyllis : Skarfe.

June : Garth, oh Scarfe.

Harold : Scarfe that was her maiden name, she got married after that. I know approximately where she lives . She lives up on them new housing going up towards Vanderhoof going up the hill.

June : Oh yeah.

Harold : You know you go halfway up the hill and there's a road goes in towards

Larry : To the right there?

Harold : Yeah and there's a whole bunch of new housing there. She lives in those houses but I'm not sure just which one. I have her phone number.

June : You have her phone number? You have it at home or you have it here?

Harold : No I got it..

June : What's your phone number?

Harold : That's 963 -

Phyllis : Square dancing , that's where we got it from.

June : Yeah okay. I can get if off you after.

Harold : Mine is ####.

June : Oh that's easy.

Harold : Well I can phone Larry and give him Eleanor's phone number. She had a couple . She had a cell phone too.

June : So what do you know about Winterton?

Harold : Well he came from England, originally , worked in the coal mining industry, then he came out to Canada

June : We're picking up the TV.

Harold : Oh I see.

Phyllis : Well turn it off Larry.

June : So he came from England and he was working in the coal mines there .

Harold : Yeah he had been a coal miner in England. Then he also worked on farms there and he told me that he came out in when the flu epidemic was going on in Canada like he was in Winnipeg at the time. At that time he was, they were moving the graveyard there. He said he was digging up corpses and they were moving to a new, different graveyard .

Phyllis : What a job!

Harold : And he says it's a wonder I didn't die there on account of he didn't know what them guys died of but anyhow he says, then he went down in to North Dakota and he worked on a grain farm there for awhile and he said the guy wanted him to stay there you know Like he was a hell of a good worker, old Bill you know it was hardly anyone like him and the guy wanted him to stay there and he was going to give him a quarter of land if he stayed there. Instead of that, and can you imagine he went up in there at that place and homesteaded a quarter ?

Larry : That'd be like a hundred miles in the bush.

Harold : Yeah, he came ,, Anyhow after that he went to Southern B.C. there in the coal mines, in Southern B.C. and he worked in the coal mines there for a few years and then he went up to, he came up and they were building the railroad into Prince George and so they got, him and his buddy they came down to Tete Jeune Cache and then they made a raft there and they came down the river to Prince George to the Cache .

June : Would be a wild ride hey?

Harold : Yeah he said they just about lost their lives in that Giscome Rapids. But anyhow they made it and he started cutting ties and stuff for the railroad and cordwood for, they were firing the boilers to make, heat those rivets you know.

June : Yeah

Harold : For to make that bridge across the Fraser there and he was doing that. So was Mr. Tual. He was working on the bridge and he says then in 1913 why he went out there to homestead that place there.

June : 1913 hey?

Harold : Yeah. And for the, he didn't have cattle at first, he was just making hay there because there was all these guys logging in there, hey and he was selling the hay for horse feed and he says like he used to haul the hay loose from out there into town here and he says the people'd be running after him down the street to get a load of hay for their ....A lot of people had milk cows so then what happened was that kind of slowed down hey and then when the war started well I'm getting a little ahead because he finally got into, bought a carload of cattle in 1928 I think he said That's when he first got into cattle . He brought them into town and then they drove them down out to the ranch there and he said about six or seven of them got away and he had the Allen boys like George and Frank , and all the Allen boys from Nukko Lake there . They were his cowboys, herding these cattle out there for him. George Allen told me, he says " I was up on every one of these top of every one of these eskers along the Hart Highway down there by Frank Ferris place, old place there and there was one got away Bill said. She swam the river and never did get it but he got the rest of them and then he says after he got them home he never, that's when the depression started in the early 30's and he never sold a cow till for five years well till about 35 or 36 by the time he sold some. And he said he had some five-year old steers at the time when he first sold them and that time you used to load them in a car and ship them to Edmonton to the stock market. Oh he used to tell me a lot of stories.

Phyllis : That would be interesting.

June : That's very good that you can remember all this stuff.

Harold : Yeah but then he like , the way he cleared land there was he used to go out and he'd dig around the roots of the trees like and chop off the big roots and then he'd just do that. Then he says when a big wind came up why it would blow all the trees down then , pull the stumps you see, and then he could take the , he sawed them all up into logs and skid them out with the horses and burnt them . He built the, he said the Allen boys from Nukko Lake come over and helped him build the barns and stuff like that.

Phyllis : Maybe you should talk to the Allen boys.

June : Well yeah.

Harold : The Allen boys are all dead.

June : Oh, I better talk to Harold then. Laugh.

Harold : A little bit life here yet. Laugh But anyway that's his story.

June : So that house there that's got the round arch like that, is that the house he lived in?

Harold : Originally. Yeah the little one there, the small one?

June : Well there's about three there.

Harold : Yeah.

June : Like I've got pictures of them which I'm going to show you.

Harold : Well the one on the furthest west was his.

June Okay, that had the's got sort of a little .....

Harold : The one that they got there for kind of a garage or shop or something, made a double door on the front of it, that was... that's the house he lived in.

June : At the last?

Harold : Yeah but he ... that belonged to another guy that had a homestead out about a mile east of him and he went overseas and he never came back.

June : Do you know who that guy was?

Harold : No but you can find out in the land office. You know you can find out who all owned them quarters years ago.

June : Yeah

Harold : And he tore that house down and he numbered all the logs and brought them all down to his place and put it back up again.

Larry : That whole area was pretty well homesteaded then.

Harold : Oh yeah well at my place there, there was, was two or three rotted down places that you could see There was even well there was one right on that where my house was but it was out on the field there. It was all gone pretty well when I first came but when I first, when we first plowed that why we plowed up a broad axe. You know, first there.

Phyllis : Well when did you move in there?

Harold : '58. Well Bill sold out in '60 hey , 1960 he sold his farm.

June : So he wasn't there too long after we moved away from Moldowans I guess then .

Harold : Was he there when you were there.

June : Yeah we used to drive past and we'd say " That's Wintertons place" hey so I guess he was there then because that was '55 when we were out at Moldowans.

Harold : Yeah but did you get the story on old Tual?

June : No, you can tell me about that too.

Harold : I can't give you much more on old Bill . He went back overseas when he sold.

June : Bill Winterton?

Harold : Yeah. He went back to England and he stayed there for three, four years maybe, and then he came back to Canada and then he went out and he stayed with Raymond Pinko in Pineview there.

June : Oh yeah.

Harold : For... till he died. He died on Christmas Eve and so did old Tual.

June : Died on Christmas Eve.

Harold : They both died Christmas Eve.

June : But not the same Christmas Eve?

Harold : Not the same Christmas Eve.

June : Oh for goodness sakes!

Harold : And they both died of pneumonia. Apparently old Tual went kind of bugs hey after he got older. They sent him down to Vancouver Island. I guess there was a , at that time there was a place there .....Well he tried to burn himself up there, you know. Remember

Larry : I remember something about that.

Harold : Alec made a .... they didn't want him living in the old shack there so they moved him up by the mill there, built him a little house there but he just hated it up there. He didn't want to stay there. He wanted his own place so he set fire to it. Laugh

June : Then he could go back to his old house. Hey

Harold : I guess he burned it alright, pretty near burnt himself along with it.

June : So he did get rid of it

Harold : Yeah he got rid of it. But he was a, as far as I know, like he was a Catholic priest and he was, he went out in Africa in the French foreign legion like you know, as a ...what do you call that a ....what do they call them guys ?

Larry : Legionaires

Harold : No the preachers in the army what do they call them ?

June : Oh chaplains

Harold : Yeah chaplain, he was a chaplain in the French army and he went there and then he says what he told me he says " I didn't like that, the killing that was going on". I guess it didn't ... it made him sick he says you know, just killing people for nothing really and so he jumped his ship and came to Canada . But then he wasn't allowed to go back to France you see they'd put him in jail so and then I guess it took away his priest.... he had no authority. They took away his authority. So, like he came in, I don't know how he got into Prince George but he came in with the railroad and he was...he worked on that bridge there and he, he actually homesteaded the quarter down below the pond there, you know where the pond used to run out to the swamp there. There was a little creek run out. That was his quarter there and then the same thing happened there the guy that had that one across the swamp there that was a different guy's homestead and he never came back either after the war so Julian just moved up into his cabin , I guess it was a better cabin than what he had and he actually owned three quarters there you know, old Tual

June : Is that right?

Harold : Yeah he owned his own quarter, he owned that one and then he owned the one that came right out onto the road, oh about half a mile this side of where Alec had his mill. It came out to the road. It was all brush, all bush but he owned it. Then after he died, ah, George Chobin bought it. He got it on Tax sale , you know for taxes and it went from one to another . I don't know who finally, who owns it now.

June : So was Julian Tual, was he a trapper when he lived there. Did he trap?

Harold : No, yeah he trapped a little.

June : He trapped.

Harold : He wasn't a trapper

June : It wasn't his main occupation like.

Harold : Well I .. Laugh

June : Or did he quit working after awhile?

Harold : Well I didn't know him till he was pretty old , and I know he wouldn't workin the mill like. I think once he went out and run the trim saw.

June : For Moldowan?

Harold : Yeah he was too old to work at that time but he was still trapping but he never was a trapper either you know because he never caught nothing.


The odd time he'd get something but he hardly ever caught it.

June : You mean he let it go?

Harold : No he used to set traps there, trap all spring and he'd have maybe eight or ten beaver and Roger went out there a couple of years ago and took a hundred beaver out of there. You know.

June : Gee!

Harold : Joe Winka was a good trapper. He used to make good money in trapping but not old Tual. He didn't need any money, He was on old age pension and he'd stay out there all year and then every spring he used to make a trip in . He'd stay in town for a week , go to church for a week but sometimes the priest came out to see him . I remember Father MacDowell came out to see him. He told me that he worked at Lejac School as a brother before, long before I knew him and .....

June : He might have worked with that Coccola hey?

Harold : I don't know . I don't know who he was with and I don't know I often tried to pinpoint when he was there but it must have been, I would say in the 20's. Yeah there was an Indian family around Fraser Lake that he used to talk a lot about. He used to go visit them or write them. He was great for writing . He wrote a ... he'd have a story in the Citizen there once a month I think.

June : Oh is that right?

Harold : Write a letter to the Citizen to tell about around the country. ? (Laugh) He was really up on that. ?????

June : I'll have to look at some of them old newspapers and find out some of his writeups.

Harold : Yeah, he had a lot of writeups. And he was always talking about religion you know. Him and I used to talk a lot you know I was interested and he would say he read this writeup in the paper ... "We're the last ten tribes you ever hear that

Phyllis : Hear what?

Harold : Have you ever heard of the last ten tribes?

June : Yeah I have

Phyllis : No I haven't

Harold : Well see the Jews are only one tribe and Benjamin was a tribe you see. There was twelve sons in Israel. There was only two families, the Jews and these Benjaminites well they're the ... they got together and they fought the other ten tribes and they drove them out of Jerusalem and into the north there and they lost their identity, they don't know who they are . Now you and I might be one of them and we don't even know you see. Anyway he read this headline in the paper and he said " We're the lost ten tribes you know and he was laughing .He said to me the lost ten tribes , he says , if you knew who you were you wouldn't be lost, he said. Laugh

Harold : He always talked with a real accent, "You know" he said, "Common sense would tell you that".

June : So what was he, what nationality was he, was he French?

Harold : He was French, yeah. And he was always taking stuff over to the ladies there. Did he bring you stuff?

June : No, I don't think so.

Harold : He'd come over and he'd have a little pail with radishes something for Maisie, radishes, a few peas, anything that he had too much of . He'd take it over to the kitchen too , give it to Chrissie if she was cooking . He was always doing that and the kids would go over there, like Bradley

June : Oh yeah, Gaigie's boy.

Harold : When they were little they used to go over and bother him . He'd give them a handful of these here swamp cranberries he'd picked out in the swamp and send them home. But they, they all, the kids all liked him . I can remember one time my ....Walter came out and he brought Yvonne out. She had stayed with us out there and she knew him you know and he hadn't seen her for a long long time and he was just leaving when Walter drove in and Yvonne was with him She went up there laughing to him and him laughing too . I thought that was cute. Just like they were long lost buddies.

Larry : Would you like more coffee Harold ?

Harold : Oh no.

Phyllis : have another tart if you want.

Harold : No . What I'd like to do is just phone Edna and tell her where I am. SHUT OFF TAPE

June : Do you know ?

Harold : I knew him but..

June : Do you know when they built that big house over here, the big log house? Because they were supposed to have lived in that other house as long as she was alive because the girls don't remember that big house at all.

Harold : Oh, which one? That one?

June : That's the one he lived in.

Harold : That's the one he lived in when I first. I know one time I was in town and I was staying with Tip Allen and Ed ( Lapointe) came along there and he had a bottle of whiskey out here and he wanted to get it so he asked me if I'd drive him out here to get it so I ... it was a hell of a road in here . I didn't know... I ain't going to make it. That's a long time ago. But we got the bottle anyhow.

June : Where did he live then?

Harold : He lived in that ..

June : That old house? Or the big one here?

Harold : She wasn't alive then .

June : So he lived in the big one. He must have built that after she died I guess.

Phyllis : What do you call the big one?

June : The one that Mom and dad lived in.

Phyllis : Oh okay.

Harold : Yeah I don't know of any other house. See it was '51 when I went there.

June : Is that the house that you went to?

Harold : Yeah

June : Oh so he was living there in '51 hey?

Harold : he was living there in '51 but he was never home. He was working up the line sawing... he was a sawyer. He worked was it Giscome or somewheres?

June : Yeah I think so.

Larry : Yeah it probably was Giscome.

Harold : It was... they had steam feed there.

June : See that's the house there they had after.

Harold : Oh that's not the same house in that picture?

June : No

Harold : Oh, well I think it was this house .

June : Well in '51 you'd think so because it wasn't that new when .... I don't know when his wife passed away, well I do know when his wife passed away. I do have it I think.

Harold : Well I don't know either but I think she was dead by '51 when I was there.

June : Oh yeah, yeah. See I think what happened......

Harold : Well he was quite a guy. I'll tell you a story about him. There was an Indian cabin close by, Tip, this was up in Central hey you know and there was no streets there then , you know like after you ...we were ... it was actually on Ogilvie, not Ogilvie, but Ewert Street. There was no street then but it was where Ewert Street was going to be but this here Indian came in from somewheres and he just set up a tent there under them little jackpines there so Ed and Tip this old old Tip he had a shack there you know he bought of somebody. It was just a little two-room shack and Ed was there visiting Tip and this guy set up there and Ed went over there and he crawled right into the ##### tent with him . (Laughing)I thought he'd be coming out in chunks. He stayed in there and argued around in there awhile . He didn't care what he did when he was drinking, I don't think. Laughing

Larry : Take the bottle with him he'd be right....

Harold : Well sure. Like my brother was telling me one time he says he was at one time he was working at that mill in Fort St James hey. That ...The one that's in on the island. There's a big mill there just north of Fort St James there He was working there and he was living at Fort St James and Maisie's mother was in Fort St James. She had that....She was living right across from the schoolhouse there and he says, she wanted him to take her to Vanderhoof so he took her down there and he says " When we got back, why #### the house was right full of people, they're all drinking and boy he said was she mad! And he says she went in there and he said they all said 'Have a drink Bernie". And he said " Did that ever take the fight out of her." (Laughing) She was one of the boys then. Laughing

June : Everything was okay. So what kind of stories did Winterton tell you?

Harold : Well not about women. He did have a girlfriend though. Yeah he , remember Jenks? The game warden?

June : Yeah I remember, Yeah I think I even seen him.

Harold : Well Old Tual told me that he was in love with Jenks wife.

June : Old Tual was?

Harold : Bill was. The Millers they were Millers and they used to live out there where past Nukko Lake you know June Okay

Harold : Where Archie Averill lives now. That was a Miller place and they had a bunch of girls. This Mrs. Jenks was one of them,.

June : Would that be one of ... be related to Jack Miller? There was a Jack Miller up there someplace

Harold : Probably. They're all blonde girls anyhow. They used to come to Alec's to the dances there because every time he had a Christmas party , the Millers were there, years ago .

June : And that's the ones up Chief Lake road like?

Harold : Yeah because Alec's first mill was that way you know. I forgot the name of the guy's place. Jack Steele's place.

June : Oh yeah . Not... Jack Steele, that's the one he's got the big barn there right beside the road.

Harold : Yeah , you have to drive around it to get past.

June : Yeah

Harold : Well Bobby Harding lives there now.

June : Yeah right. I've gone through all this stuff last fall so.....the names are all familiar to me.

Harold : Yeah there's lots of...

Phyllis : Lots of history..

Harold : I was lucky you know . I just moved in when the old fellows were all just finishing up you know. Like I was lucky I met them.

June : Yeah well otherwise you'd never know them like .

Harold : Yeah and there was just ...and yet old Bill you know like, he was an amazing person because he was a single man there and he had he must have had seventy-five head of cattle when he died or when he sold out. He cleared about 150acres you know like, by hand which is quite a feat in itself you know .

Larry : Yeah that's a lot of work.

Harold : Well I don't know.....

Larry : Old Winka , do you know where he come from?

June : Yeah Joe Winka.

Harold : Where he came from?

Larry : Yeah

Harold : Well apparently he was a Laplander .

Larry : Yeah Laplander, right

Harold : He had reindeer up there.

June : So he must have come straight from Lapland.

Harold : He might have. I'm not sure about Joe but he made his own skiis. He made everything, made his own shoes, moccasins and stuff.

Larry : I remember he made his own coffin there and he even was sleeping in it.

June : Is that right?

Harold : I don't know, that's the story I heard.

Harold : I never heard that. But he might have, I don't know. But I know like he used to ski and he never used ski poles , he had like a paddle and he'd just use the one pole, like paddle them skis and he had it all carved out you know, a nice hand-hold on the handle and I says " How come you made that little dish there? "Well" he says" sometimes I'm going down the river and I want a drink and you can't get out to the water so I can reach out with the paddle and get some and have a drink. "(Laughing)

June : That was an all-purpose ...... Laughing

Harold : He had a nice little cabin up in the bush there and he wanted some wood. I was falling for Alec then so he heard my power saw so he come over and he says "would you come over and cut this tree down for me" so I went over and fell it and sawed it up into wood. I didn't even know he had a cabin then but apparently ....I took Gary Nunley out to that cabin. This was about twenty years later I still found it out in the .......

June : Is it still there or is it gone?

Harold : No it's there yet.

June : Still there hey? I thought somebody said it was gone. Oh you said it ( to Larry )

Larry : No that's what

Harold : Gary..

Larry : Gary said.

Harold : It's gone now?

Larry : Yeah that Willie tore it down . He kept the board with his name carved in it. He tore the cabin down.

Harold : Oh Willie who?

Larry : Willie Lupus

Harold : Yeah but that's different. This is one of his trap line cabins.

June : Oh a trap line cabin.

Harold : He had two of them on the Salmon River, two cabins. I think they're both there yet. Roger knows where they are.

June : oh yeah. Roger?

Harold : Gratton.

June : Gratton.

Harold : I never was to the one just down the river there and then he had one, I had a picture of that too, it's just a little hovel you know like these it was made out of tiny little trees and he covered it with mud and bark , bark off the trees and then mud

June : Just some place to crawl in.

Harold : That was just a hole in the roof . It was like a little igloo.

Phyllis : Well isn't that that one.... maybe that's the one ...... down by the

Larry : Yukon Joe's cabin?

Phyllis : Down by the river, or way down ....

Harold : Where the bridge was there ?

Phyllis : Yeah.

Harold : Washed out?

Phyllis : Yeah and it's like into the ground. It almost looks like a root cellar.

Harold : Yeah

Phyllis : I was in that. Have you ever been in that?

June : No.

Larry : I thought that was the one that was supposed to be Yukon Joe's cabin.

Harold : No, no

Larry : That Gary . No?

Harold : No Yukon Joe, I don't know where his cabin was. I never was there.

Phyllis : Because there still like ....looks like.....

Harold : I know where it was , you have to... you know, where the bridge is across the Salmon River, well you just go across the bridge and then you turn to your right in there, there's a trail from there in to that where Joe was. But this was where the old bridge was, the first bridge they put across the Salmon, that wooden bridge

Larry : Oh yeah, the first one

Harold : You just go up on top of that first hill and Joe Winka's cabin was right there.

Larry : Oh yeah.

Phyllis : Did you guys go up there?

Larry : No. The other, the second, the next bridge, was away up , the newest bridge It was away up.

Harold : Yeah. You have to go up the 200 Road there but you can come right back to the other side of the river where the old bridge was You can come right back past that camp . I have a good picture of it too .

Larry : Yeah Jim's got some good pictures of it.

June : Yeah of that other cabin .

Harold : That igloo thing?

June : That thing yeah

Harold : Oh well if you get some then....

June : I don't know if it's the that the same cabin you're talking about?

Harold : The igloo thing?

June : Yeah

Harold : I never got no pictures of the other one.

June : Yukon Joe's ?

Harold : No ...,

June : Winka's other ...?

Harold : Winka's other ....Well the last time I went there ... way it took us all afternoon. We snowshoed in there and skiied and everything . I thought it wasn't very far but by the time we got there ...

Phyllis : You must have been young the first time you went in, it wasn't very far.

Harold : Well even Yvonne was with us . She was snowshoeing, Maisie was skiing and I was snowshoeing. Gary was snowshoeing . We done a lot of crazy things when we were young. I said " Let's go and see. I'll show you that cabin" and away we went.

June : And you walked and walked hey?

Harold : Yeah. Or snowshoed.

Harold : I thought that when the road would be plowed pretty well to it you know but they only had plowed as far as where that "Y" is where it swings across to go to that 200 road there.

Larry : Oh yeah

Harold : So we had to walk a couple of miles up that other road, well somebody had drove through there out of there with a skidder but they hadn't put the blade down or anything just made a track there and then it was all logged and I figured well it's got to be about here so we struck off up in towards the river and we walked and walked and walked. Gary went back again after. He said he found it but they didn't, se see they didn't log right up to his cabin,. They left a few trees around there and his cabin was in amongst the trees. I went right to it once......because I was falling right there. You know you get to know the terrain pretty good whenever you're done falling.

June : So what was that other cabin that that Gary guy was telling us about? Where there was a old homestead and there was a cabin and then there was a or there was the place where the barn was and there was a well on there.

Larry : This, yeah this way close to where Lapointe's sawdust pile was

June : Where the hay bales or it was sod, where the sod was hey? Or the peat.

Larry : Going out on the left hand side , this side of the clearing. All the farm clearing that Berger and Reiner did. Just this side of the clearing.

Harold : Well you mean that old sawdust pile there?

Larry : Yeah well the sawdust pile was one of Lapointe's settings, wasn't it?

Harold : Yeah

Larry : And then off on the opposite side of the sawdust pile there's a homestead in there.

Harold : Oh the opposite side?

June : But behind the sawdust pile, wasn't it?

Larry : It was behind the sawdust pile?

Harold : I know there's an old cabin down in behind the sawdust pile there.

June : I think that's where it was. There might not be too much left of it I don't think

Harold : Well that's not...that's fairly recent . That's not a homestead.

June : Oh is that right?

Harold : There was a homestead there at one time but then that guy that has that black dirt, he cleared all that. At one time he cleared it then let it all grow up again. Well do you happen to want a couple of them pictures June ?

June : Sure.

Harold : Well if you want to .....TAPE SHUT OFF

Harold : ...even the weather.

June : Even the weather.

Harold : He could tell the weather and all that

June : Is that right? He was a good farmer.

Harold : And I paid attention to him because it saved me lots

Larry : Oh away out like that you have to have somebody you know to learn from

June : So do you mind if I use any of that information in writing.

Harold : Oh it don't matter.

June : I won't use the bad story but. (Laughing) They weren't bad, they were just kind of funny.

Harold : Well I don't have any stories of Bill because he never had any.

Larry : He never chased women.

Harold : He never got married. He had a sister in England that he tried to get to come out you know He had a brother too . They kept fooling around and finally they figured they had a better deal over there than he had over here. And his sister was going to come up and then she said her husband was a carpenter and he wouldn't be much good on a farm, you know. Bill wanted somebody to come and take over the farm, you know .LOTS OF NOISE AND SHUT OFF TAPE.